Wisdom Rising

Signs and Symptoms of a Spiritual Awakening

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa • Season 2 • Episode 24

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Experiencing unexplainable phenomena, heightened sensitivities, or a sudden disconnection from your normal life? You're not losing your mind—you're awakening. In this powerful episode, Christine and Shantel unpack the common signs of spiritual awakening that often leave people questioning their sanity.

When our Souls are ready for expansion and our spiritual gifts start to come online, it's easy to find yourself wondering... Am I just crazy? This conversation will show you that you're not alone, and help you to understand everything that's happening (and why)! 

Along the way, we offer grounding tools and energetic boundaries to help manage overwhelm, especially during accelerated awakenings, and share personal stories that affirm a key message: You're not losing your mind—you're evolving, and you have the power to navigate this journey with intention and sovereignty.

  • Signs of spiritual awakening
  • Isolation as a transformation phase
  • Importance of energetic boundaries
  • How to manage overwhelming sensitivity
  • Communicating with spiritual guides
  • Grounding practices (e.g., nature, calling your name)
  • Establishing morning rituals
  • Coping with accelerated awakening
  • Personal stories of spiritual overwhelm
  • Claiming sovereignty in the awakening process
  • And more!


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Speaker 1:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene, isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week, we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy, healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome back to another amazing episode here on the Wisdom Rising podcast. In today's episode, you'll join with Christine and Chantel as they dive into the signs and symptoms of a spiritual awakening. When our souls are ready for expansion and our spiritual gifts start to come online, it's easy to find ourselves wondering am I just crazy? Some people may even be told that they're experiencing a kind of psychosis or that they're losing their minds. This feeling is really common for those undergoing a spiritual awakening, and today's conversation is here to help show you that you're not alone and to help you understand everything that's happening and why so. If you've been experiencing what you think are signs of a spiritual awakening, or maybe even a dark night of the soul. Feeling your spiritual gifts come online, feeling more clairvoyant, feeling more sensitive to energy or to other people's emotions, feeling physically ill or just overwhelmed with our world in general. Right now, this conversation is for you. Christine and Chantel are here to help you understand what's happening and why, help you feel more confident that no, you're not going crazy, you're just awakening to the truth of who you are. They'll share their perspective on what the most common signs and symptoms of a spiritual awakening are and how you can help yourself move through this process with ease, clarity and confidence. Along the way, don't forget to join us in our Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics Facebook group to share your top takeaways. We are a group of over 4,500 amazing individuals walking this shamanic and spiritual path who can help you find community and connection in the midst of your spiritual awakening. So be sure to join our Facebook group. Don't forget to join our newsletter as well, so you get updates on all of the amazing classes and masterclasses we have coming up for you very soon, including Christine's Reiki Fusion Master Teacher Training.

Speaker 1:

Christine is currently away on an amazing pilgrimage to the birthplace of Reiki Mount Kurama in Japan and when she returns, she's going to be bringing all of the amazing knowledge that she gained on this adventure and experience and putting it into her Reiki Masters class. So this class is truly a fountain of wisdom, blending everything that we know about Reiki from its roots in the East and in Japan with everything that we perceive Reiki as now from the West in modern culture. This is truly a one-of-a-kind class. So if you are ready to take or retake your Reiki master's class and you want to do it in this incredibly immersive way where you're learning both the original Eastern teachings and the modern Western practices, this class is for you. Classes start in June and I'll put the link in the show notes for you to learn more, but know that we'll be releasing more information very soon.

Speaker 1:

If you're interested in joining us, feel free to enroll now and save your seat, because spots are filling up fast. More information on that to come, especially if you join us on our newsletter and our Moon Rising Facebook group. Also, don't forget to find us on YouTube for the video companion to today's podcast and subscribe to the podcast while you're here so that you can get access to new episodes sooner. And in the meantime, let's go to the show. I hope you enjoy today's episode.

Speaker 2:

Today we are talking on spiritual awakenings no, you're not crazy and how to really tell what the signs of awakening are and really knowing what the difference is between, let's say, spiritual psychosis and signs of awakening, and what that looks like as you progress on your spiritual journey. Because it can be a rude awakening for many of us who are coming into this awakening phase of our life to go whoa, whoa, whoa. Is this normal or is this not so? Welcome to the show. I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa, who is going to be joining in the conversation, and I'm really excited to really dive in, because I feel like we get this question a lot. We get this question a lot in our Facebook group, our Shamanic Mystics, Moon Rising group, as well as from our students of like. How do I know? How do I know I'm not just going crazy, Right? So, Chantel, why don't you kick us off this morning? How do we want to begin to describe the signs of awakening?

Speaker 3:

So I do think I agree with you. This is a huge topic because when you are in the quote unquote 3d reality of life and you just are going through life, you're working, you got your family, you're doing all the things that we're expected to do throughout our society and our norms and everything and then suddenly something happens, and a lot of times it's either there's it's forced through like a trauma or an illness or a breakup, there's some heartache, there's some like emotional distress or physical distress. That happens where suddenly you're like whoa wait, what's going on? What is this new energy or new understanding that I'm having? And so it isn't. At the beginning it can feel like it is like a little bit of craziness and psychosis, because suddenly you're feeling energies, you're hearing things, you're seeing things, you're aware of stuff that you didn't know yesterday, kind of thing, and so with it, it's knowing that we can go and do this work and walk the walk of an awakening and still be very normal, because it's really where we are.

Speaker 3:

So one of the things that we do is we go into isolation, we start to pull back, we start to reprieve, we start to isolate ourselves because we're no longer in alignment with what's going on around us. We're not tapping into the same conversations, we're not tapping into the relationships that we have. There's just this disconnect from ourselves and others, and so isolation is a huge thing. That starts to happen for us and with that it's like are you depressed? Are you feeling like you have a lot of anxiety? Are you feeling like you're just not a part of the social norm anymore?

Speaker 3:

And really what it is is we're going in and it's like an opportunity for that self-reflection and introspection. And our body is changing because our frequency is changing, so we're actually evolving into a higher consciousness of awareness and that crystalline body, our DNA, is shifting. We're changing on a physical, we're changing on a spiritual and all of these aspects of ourself are starting to shift. Our mind, our thoughts, our processes, everything starts to shift. But if you're not communicating with the right kind of people that understand, like like-minded people that have gone through it, it absolutely can seem like you're going through some level of psychosis.

Speaker 2:

Right, and there's that isolation, like you're purposefully, maybe unknown, purposefully self-isolating, and then you're in your thoughts of like is this normal? Is this not normal, how? What is going on? And that that, that phase of isolation is really interesting in the fact that oftentimes, as we are kind of vibing higher, if you will, the people who are not on the same wavelength are going to stop. You don't resonate with them anymore. It's easier to say no, I don't want to go out to the bar. No, I don't want to go out to do X, y and Z, because it's not no longer an alignment for you. And so you're having these social changes and it brings about this isolation. I don't know how many times we've had students go. I'm just alone. I'm joining the program because I need to find my community and feel like I'm in a group of like-minded people who are going through the same thing as I am and that's the main purpose of them joining the moon rising shamanic Institute and our soul rising program. Right, and I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I would say that's like the majority of our students are. They're in it in that way and it does take a shift.

Speaker 2:

I remember I remember my own. There was one point in my life I was like I don't have any friends. I don't, I no longer have anyone I can connect with or relate to. Like there are no more high school friends, like that's just a waste of time. There's the um, uh, there's no one in my community that I I could connect with. Like they don't understand what's going on with me and really asking source God creator. Like bring me my people right. Like I can't do this alone. Like I need someone who will actually understand me. And it was so funny because sometimes when we ask we really do receive. Like I'm ready for the shift, bring in the people.

Speaker 2:

And I remember going from like having this sense of like I have no one to. I had one of my friends call me up and be like let's create a women's group, let's create a women's circle, and and only like only those who are like highly spiritually gifted are like going to be in our women's circle. And so we came up with a list and we did. Within a week we had a group of six women who then met monthly for years, right, and we were all in it and it was so nice to just be like I don't have any friends to. Oh my God, I have a, I have a group, I have a community who I can say what sounds like batshit, crazy things, and they all understand, they all get it Like that. That transition is amazing.

Speaker 3:

That's a powerful. And it's so powerful because, especially, I think, with women, men too, but as women we were nurturers and we like community right, Most women do. We want to come together in community and support each other and, do you know, work with each other. And when you feel like you just don't have a tribe or community, a circle of women that you can communicate with, when your conversation changes, it's really difficult. And I know for me, I have my. My group has become very small. I mean, I have a lot of friends and people that I love to work with, like my community. I adore them, I have an amazing community here.

Speaker 3:

But when, for my past friends, I don't interact with any of them anymore, I'm like I don't even know how to even communicate on a level of just everyday stuff. Or like, yeah, let's go to the bar, let's go get drunk, let's hang out. I'm like you know I'm good with that here and there, but if that's your regular every day, I don't resonate with that Like I used to. I used to, you know, and there was a part of me sometimes where I miss my old self because I was so carefree and it didn't matter. I'm like let's go do it and now I'm like I don't know, not so much reserved, but I understand the consequences of it the next day, the energetic consequences of it. You know the attachments, the low vibration, the energies that are surrounding us in those environments that I wasn't aware of years ago. And now you go in that and you really got to protect yourself. You really got to bubble up and do the things that you're not having. All these experiences that aren't pleasant.

Speaker 2:

Yeah for sure, absolutely. And so it's like as we become more energetically aware, and so it's like as we become more energetically aware, we become a little bit more of an energetic. It's worthy, worth it to us to become energetically protective. Yes, and that's why that isolation tends to happen. It's to really evaluate where's your energy safe and where are you going to be accepted and where where's the? You know it's like going the caterpillar, creating that cocoon, going into that crystallist phase, turning the mush and staying there for a hot minute, like sometimes that mushy, mushy phase takes a while to really under, like, reorganize your energy, reorganize your lifestyle, reorganize how you want to present yourself to the world. And so that isolation and that cocoon, when you become that crystallist mush phase, you will eventually come out as a butterfly. But know that, like it's all for reason and purpose.

Speaker 2:

And as you're in there, what happens in our regular everyday life is things like food might be different, you know, your sensitivities to food might be different. All of a sudden you're you're. You can't tolerate alcohol, or you can't tolerate processed foods, or if you do, you feel like crap afterwards. And then then it's like well, now I need to figure out how to detox, because clearly there's something I'm I'm getting um, getting heavy with right, like it doesn't align with me anymore. So you're finding all the places and spaces that are now out of alignment.

Speaker 2:

All of a sudden, your food, your company, your uh, your work, like I don't know how many times we have people who are, who come in to moon rising, where it's like, yeah, my job is sucking my soul, you know, like it's no longer like I used to love this, this used to be my passion. I just cannot stand being in the company of these people anymore. I can't handle the water cooler conversations, like all of the superficiality of quote unquote. Normal life is too much right. Like it's just not. It feels dull, it feels heavy, right, and so, as you are recognizing, wow, my energy is shifting. How can I honor myself?

Speaker 2:

And then, all of a sudden, it's like I'm worthy of eating organic, I'm worthy to notice what foods make me feel not good and choose differently. Like I'm worthy to to make lifestyle changes, I'm worthy to get up and take time for myself. I'm worthy to do the self-care work, I'm worthy to meditate, I'm worthy to whatever it is. All of a sudden, the people around you are like, oh my gosh, she used to like give and give and give and just was a people pleaser, and now all of a sudden, the people around you are like oh my gosh, she used to like give and give and give and just was a people pleaser, and now all of a sudden she's doing self-care. How rude.

Speaker 3:

How rude, how rude of you to take care of you. I love that with the honoring, though, because it's really what it is, cause when you're, you know they, they have. It's what is like a spiritual snob, you know, vibrational snob, and that's not what this is about. It's just truly honoring yourself and recognizing where you are versus where the environment you used to hang out in, right, or the people or whatever. Like you said, the water cooler conversation. That can be very basic conversation.

Speaker 3:

People aren't talking about the stuff we're talking about, and you know and I don't really come across anyone that doesn't understand or know a little bit about what I do but I did just meet a woman the other day and she was a full virgin. She knew nothing. I was like wow, and it felt like like that's like a dinosaur, like I found something unique, you know. And then her mind was so blown by the end of our session because she's like dinosaur, like I found something unique, you know. And then her mind was so blown by the end of our session because she's like I didn't even know any of this existed. And I'm like, yeah, and yet here you are sitting in a Reiki master's room ready for a healing because none of the systems out there work for her.

Speaker 3:

The medical system failed her, the dietary system failed her, everything started failing her and she became sicker and sicker, and sicker until she was like I need to come here, right, and she was brought to me. But I loved how open she became and I'm like, there it is, the seeds are being planted right, like we're being cracked open as human beings to have this higher conscious awareness. And at first it might be scary, and at first it might be scary and at first our people don't understand. And we are changing the way we eat and we are changing the way we think. And you know, we're just our senses change, we become really heightened in our senses, not just our physical senses but our spiritual senses.

Speaker 3:

So suddenly you are seeing things, you're hearing things, you're feeling things like how many of you that are listening to us have heard a word come through your name, something, and you're like who's there? What's that? Right? I mean it's a moment of like you're searching around your house, like, is somebody in my house? I have woken up and I'll hear my name and my husband's at work and I'm like, oh, my gosh, who's here? And then I oh yeah, okay, it's just like my spirit team talking to me or whatever. But there is.

Speaker 3:

There are these levels of things that are happening for us, when you can feel the prickles of energy moving up your spine and into your crown. And you know and if you watch us, I know for me I feel energy so much. I'm always like, I'm always twitching in some way because I'm like itching it away. I'm like my gosh, it's a lot, but we don't talk about that. So here we are this is the conversation to say, hey, it's okay if you're feeling all of the senses increase and you're seeing beyond the veil, you're hearing beyond the veil and that means that we're just, you're raising that vibration to match with the frequencies of the universe. That is allowing you to really tune in to your higher self.

Speaker 2:

Right, totally. And so know that, like I feel like when this transformation is happening, it's like your spectrum of awareness expands, so like, like, it's just kind of like how we're only supposed to see so many colors and there's, here's the spectrum, but we know that there's infrared and there's all this, it goes way out. It feels a bit like that where you're just stretching the capacity in which your sensory available to, so then you are feeling into the energy of people, like you know, like there's I think that's one of a really common one too is that you can feel when something's off in a room. You can feel when someone's had a bad day, even though they haven't said anything. You can just start sensing energy and it becomes really heightened, where oftentimes you're once again self-isolating because you're like I don't know what to do with that. I don't know what to do with the feeling of feeling someone else's energy. Or if you start seeing things and, like now when you walk through the woods, you're like you're seeing the aura of the trees or feeling into their, what they're having to say to you or whatever it may be, it's like everything becomes a lot more heightened, and so isolation is a way to really return to yourself and go this is, this is my energy, this is my energy, and that it can be shocking in the beginning to go how do I cope with this? How do I learn them from this? And I think this is why you, a lot of people, turn to books and YouTube and podcasts and courses and trying to find answers. That's when it's in that isolation of all these things, waking up, this heightened awareness of how can I make sense of it, and maybe they do end up in a Reiki session for the first time and they don't know anything, right, like they'll start seeking out answers to explain that they're not crazy, right?

Speaker 2:

The other, the other thing that I think happens is that people do think that they're crazy and that they're going, they're, they're losing it, right, and so they go to the doctors, they go to a therapist and they try to figure, figure it out from a Western point of view, of why this is happening.

Speaker 2:

And yeah, there's a lot of drugs out there from the Western side that can tap all of it down, so that you can quote, unquote like stay in the matrix, like, right, like they're like that's an option and people do take that because it's too it.

Speaker 2:

It freaks them out too much or they're becoming too sensitive that they're not really sure how to adjust.

Speaker 2:

And, um, and I think that's why there's for every person out there who is beginning to wake up, there are, like it feels like there's 10 light workers ready for them to, to take them under their wing, like I feel like there is so many healers and light workers and Reiki healers and shamanic practitioners and all of the things that are ready to help guide and mentor these newly awakened souls here on earth. Because this is the time, we're in, the time of the spiritual awakening, and and so the world is flooded with resources. I mean, you can't go to YouTube and look up what does it mean when I hear buzzing from a spiritual perspective and not get thousands upon thousands of videos and answers? Like the information is out there, and I think that's why so many recognize this isn't a West, this isn't a problem that I need to fix with a Western solution. Right, like they know that going to a therapist or going to the doctors isn't going to necessarily give them the answers that they seek.

Speaker 3:

And I mean, of course we're not saying don't go to anything like the doctors and therapists and stuff. Do what you need to do within your, your scope of understanding where you are, but know, if you are meeting your professionals and they are not answering the questions, they you intuitively, are coming forward within going no, this is not that I don't need the medication. No, I'm not crazy. No, this isn't happening. No, there's a whole other side to your health and your mental wellness and that is going to come into energy work, holistic medicine, all of that, because that is a whole nother like highly functional, functional doctors, everything that can really help and assist us. And so, knowing that, when we're receiving those intuitive nudges, when we're receiving the downloads and messages that were maybe in the beginning kind of bypassing, tune into those because that's your inner voice speaking to you, that's your inner voice that's leading you and guiding you and telling you hey, you know what? Go over there, there's so many like students that I have and they're like I woke up and I just heard Reiki, like they're being spoken to, and then they go on the search of what the heck is that right? And then they find themselves in doing energy work and now they're, you know, in level twos and they're, they're practicing and they're trying to get there, they're working on their own skillset. And it's just amazing to witness it on this side of it, knowing where I've been, you know, because there was a time in my life where, well, I've never been like asleep, but I've been. We have layers of awakenings, okay, and this is not a linear journey. It's not like you're going to go from isolation to this to that. No, that's not how it works. It really is a cycle that we go through and so when you're going through isolation, you might have many, many times of isolation throughout your journey for the rest of your life. And I find what happens with me I just actually started coming. I'm coming out of one right now, and it's not so much that I've isolated, but what happens is my um, my focus shifts on other things that I'm creating and then, like the clients start, um, not slowing down, but I realize certain things are shifting and then, all of a sudden, it booms again because I have to put my energy over. And once I recognize it, I'm like, oh, okay, I see what's happening. It's like being that rubber band being pulled back, you know, and I'm getting ready to shoot off again. And now that I know it, it's exciting. So I can be in isolation and be like you know what. I'm going to take this time to myself right now and I'm going to do some help. You know, some personal healing and personal work, and I'm going to go and work with those that I'm aligned with. And you know, do all of this Like I just brought a sound bed into my practice. It's a freaking amazing and, um, it was a process of which I bought one and kind of got burned on that company and working with that, but we built one and it is amazing. And so these are just ideas that have been coming to me like do this, bring that in. So now I can reiki you on a sound bed.

Speaker 3:

But the experience of how we allow ourself to grow and evolve through our transformation is just so powerful. Whether you're walking away from the job you've had forever the career into something different that's more in alignment with you, or you're creating a new community of people, this is really. It's because you're stepping into your true, authentic self. You're releasing the conditionings that you were taught from childhood and saying you know what I don't believe in, that I don't feel like that. Like how many people say you know, I sat in church for many years and I could never really resonate with it, or there was a resonation, but then like they resonated, but at some point it no longer did Right, and it's just this growth process, and it's not that anything is negative or positive more so than the other, it's just you're growing and evolving into a new version of yourself.

Speaker 2:

Right, exactly, and I'm really I want to also bring into this conversation like when is it too fast, when is it actually like ride that line of psychosis or spiritual psychosis, and you're you have too many doors open in your spiritual space where things are coming in too fast and what do you do about that? Because I think people who are going to listen to this episode is real, are going to be the people who might be writing that line Like, yeah, spiritual awakening, a lot of people are experiencing it. Nice, gentle, easy, we got our timeout spots a lot of frustration, a lot of tears, maybe a dark night of the soul. And then we have those that are really like it's. It's like, uh, almost like a stripping away of everything that you've ever known, and it's happening really really fast. And those are the people that I I I do tend to work with, people who are kind of riding that line of like do we need to have some type of intervention, some type of medical intervention, something where it's like this is outside the scope of quote, unquote, normal spiritual awakening.

Speaker 2:

And I'm curious, chantel, have you had clients like that?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, and having to work with them and giving them tips on things you know, practice rituals that they can do, and I'll go sit outside with them, we'll sit on the dirt, we'll sit under a tree, we'll go hug trees. I take because I facilitate a grief group and they're right there, you know, but theirs is being the catalyst, is the is grief. You know, they lost someone dear to them and so we'll go walk around the property and, um, take in nature. And it's interesting because at first they're just like we're what? And I'm like, yeah, we're going to go and sit on the dirt and we're going to connect with the earth.

Speaker 3:

One of the things I really, um, I'm all about calling our name back, and when I first learned this it was from my mother-in-law and I thought you're freaking crazy, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3:

But it's really so powerful because if you understand that when we are feeling like there's a leakage, or we travel or we journey, or we've been like in society too much right, we're around too many people you call your name and it's I am, and you state your full name and you do it in power and you do it in strength, and you call your name three times and literally it calls back all the fragments of yourself, it pulls your energy back in. And then you state that I call all my energy back and I do it through all timeline, space and dimensions because of you know we're multi-universe, like beings and parallel universes and stuff. So I know that when we do that it is so powerful and grounding it's like an instantaneous thing. So if you've traveled, there's energy that has that's, you know, still traveling to you. You know like our soul is like three days ahead of us, our physical is in traveling, our energy is trailing behind us. We have to condense that and with that is literally calling your name back.

Speaker 2:

I love that practice too. I think it can be really potent when you feel spaced out, when you feel fragmented, when you feel like you're really ungrounded because your spiritual side, your crown chakra, is so wide open right, it's a way to like bring your body, mind and spirit into one time and space. Right, and I think that's a really good point of that's kind of what it feels like when it's it's gone a little too far, a little too fast, is that you feel really ungrounded. You feel like your crown chakra is really open, your third eye is really open. You might have tingling there, you might be getting experiencing headaches, you might not be sleeping well. The, the nightmares might be really activated. And it's how do you start claiming your space of what you're available for and what you're not?

Speaker 2:

I find a lot of people who are undergoing a very fast transition. They're not really sure how to create energetic boundaries for this process and claiming like I'm not available for us to see X, y and Z, I'm not available to see negative entities or ghosts or whatever it may be like, how to actually say I'm not okay with this. This is my free will, choice, I'm not open and available and putting a stake in it. And there most I would say most people who are undergoing this transition very quickly don't know that they have free will. They don't understand that process of sovereignty, of like you can actually put the brakes on and you can control this. And I think that's why it is so effective to bring people outside and get connected with nature, because it's once again you're here, you're right now. This is this feel your senses, feel your body. This is what's happening right, and it's interesting when we start encouraging that practice of coming back to yourself, coming back to your body, come back to your senses, because your sensory and the physical is going to help ground you Right. And so it's the recognizing that you do have some control and that it doesn't have to be this complete free for all of all of the things spiritual, like you.

Speaker 2:

I like to explain to my students who are doing, who are going through this like, imagine it as like a barometer, like, right, we, we can set the temperature of our house. Why not set the scale on which you're open and available for? So maybe, maybe, when you go to the grocery store, you want to be at 10% open, so that you have enough to feel intuitional nudges but you're not getting bombarded with everyone else's emotions and their thought processes. And you know seeing spirits walk through the aisles of the grocery store, right, like there's a way of going. I'm not available for that.

Speaker 2:

And then there's other times that let's say you're meditating and you're learning how to set intentions. Okay, I'm going to set my intention for this time to be open to a healing helper who's going to be my spirit guide and help me in this process. Like, just knowing to ask. Like I want a spiritual individual who has my higher self knowingness that I want. I want someone. I need somebody, right, and to call upon them.

Speaker 2:

And I think there's a lot a reason why a lot of people turn to their religious figures, to Jesus, to Mary, to because they're familiar and they can do that job as well. Right, like I don't have any um that that it just because religion has this heavy undertone for a lot of us doesn't mean the religious figures are actually that way. Right, like a lot of these are ascended masters and they would love to come and support you through your spiritual journey. Right, and so knowing that you can call on a higher source to support you, to protect you, is huge. To call on your angels to to ask for them to protect you and guide you through the process, and then that is that's when I see things really starting to shift, of going. You do have spiritual help on this side. In the physical, you can find a mentor, you can find a teacher, and on the spiritual, you have mentors, you have teachers, you have guides.

Speaker 3:

I think it's so important for our listeners to to visit that aspect of being able to dial in how much energy and awareness you want to have in a moment. And I think because in the beginning we don't think, we don't know that we have that free will to ask of that or that it's even possible to say, hey, I need this dial down because it is too much. If you're a dreamer and you are just being bombarded all night long and you're traveling, we all travel, okay, we're all traveling at night. But when they're really lucid and really really vivid and you're traveling, we all travel, okay, we're all traveling at night. But when they're really lucid and really really vivid and you're working all day and then you go to sleep and you're working all night, you need to tell your guides, hey and my ear is ringing on that one Tell your guides, hey, I can only do this for a period of time tonight.

Speaker 3:

That's it. I'm only available for this short period of time. Give me my messages quickly, because our body needs to rest, our mind needs to rest, we need to have this shut down and we're out there working 24, seven, spiritually and physically. So, yes, dial it down when you feel that the other thing is closing your crown. Just closing it like that will really bring in, as Christine's talking, like if you're feeling loud here, bring it in, and that way your mind can really start to rest. And I know you're laughing because you're a traveler big time at night.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know, that's a funny thing. So, yeah, I am giggling over here because my crown typically is like a giant satellite dish. It's full open, right. And my dreams are interesting in the fact I don't think I have very many spiritual dreams that what they will do is just freaking wake me up. And so what they would do before I had control over all of this is that they would wake me up at two in the morning and talk to me for hours, for hours. They would just literally wake me up and I'd be downloading for hours. They would tell me exactly what I needed to do and how I needed to do it, and they would just give me so much information, and to the point where I would maybe be getting two to four hours of sleep every night, and then I wasn't functional to implement all the things that they were telling me to do.

Speaker 2:

Right Like, I was so exhausted. I was so exhausted and, yeah, my crown chakra was wide open and so I wasn't necessarily traveling through the cosmos by any means. They were just waking me up and then giving me my downloads, and I finally got to a point of going okay, this can't happen anymore. Right Like, you have to come to that place of here's my spiritual boundaries, here's my energetic boundaries. I am not available for you to wake me up every night at 2 AMm. Not, okay, I'm not down with this. I need a better solution, and you know, the solution was like well, fine, if you want us to stop waking you up in the middle of the night, then you need to actually make time for us during the day, and that was something during my spiritual awakening process. I resisted, I resisted meditating, I resisted taking time for self-care. I resisted taking time for self-care, I resisted tuning in during the daytime. And they knew that. That's why they woke me up every night, because I wouldn't listen to them otherwise. Right, and so they were like you, make time for us at 2 PM in the afternoon. We'll give you an hour you can rest, which your body needs anyway, take a nap and we'll download from 2 to 3 PM and we'll stop waking you up in the middle of the night. Right, and so it was this.

Speaker 2:

I feel like this is how my guides are. They'll push me into extreme uncomfortability. I don't like the way this feels. Until I go, fine, I'll do the thing. So I'll meditate during the day. I'll do the practices that they want me to do, so that they have time to offer whatever support information that they have for me during the daytime hours, and so it.

Speaker 2:

And then, when I started doing that, okay, I'm taking a nap at two in the afternoon, I'm, I'm tuning in, I'm meditating, I'm having my practice. It was very sweet, but then it, eventually, I don't need to take naps anymore. Why? Because in that process I have now a morning practice and an evening practice and you know I have a created space in my life to tune in. Like I, I offer shamanic Reiki sessions and there's times when they can come in with their messages. Then, like, I'm opening up windows of opportunity for them to talk to me during the daytime in a healthy way, versus them pushing me into an uncomfortable space where I have to pay attention, right, and it all comes down to energetic boundaries.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and it's not just our spiritual team that does that, it's people too. So for me I've had to set some boundaries with like especially in the beginning of my practice, where clients and people would just come and I would be like, why are you all here? So it was even in that state because energetically we're all connected and we're doing things with each other and and it was like that was not intrusive but on a you know, still a little bit and I would have to say, no, this is not the time.

Speaker 3:

You need to come to me, you know, make a session with me and let's work it out, not we're just going to mob you in the middle of the night. And so, yeah, that was a big one for me because I was receiving that quite a lot. And then, definitely, the guy, my guides, coming through, feeling the you know, the presence of them. You know, at times that was a little creepy, you know, and you'd feel like the bed shift a little, or there was like the bank, the blanket would kind, I don't know, there was just things that would happen. I'm like, okay, is that? Like, is there a ghost, a spirit in my room? Is this my guide? You know, there's all that discernment that we have to process and that's important to know too is what is your discernment? Know that, you know you don't we don't have to be in agreement with everything just because we're having a spiritual awakening. We can say, no, this is too much for me right now. But as you grow and advance, what used to be too much for you suddenly becomes like oh yeah, that's nothing, that's easy, I just have to set my boundaries. I just need to speak to my guides, I just need to be more in control of myself and my energy, because sometimes it's us, we are leaking our own energy and we're not honing in our own, and so we're the ones that are tethering out there, like, oh, you need help, you want this. We become the rescuers of oh, I know how to do energy work, or I understand this. I'm going to go and awaken everybody, but everyone is meant to awaken at their time and purpose, right? Otherwise it would be an instantaneous thing. That would just happen and there would be no process. So it's us assisting people during their awakening, but not forcing their awakening, because for some people it's too much. Like you cannot go from oh, are you sitting in nature and just hanging out with the grass? Versus there's ETs. You know what I mean. Like some people just cannot grasp that.

Speaker 3:

And then there's those that they get. They start having awareness of higher awareness, and then they get trapped in that. They're like, oh, my gosh, there's, there's other aliens, there's's other, this, there's other life out there. It's like, yes, there is. And I always just tell them yeah, there are galactic brothers and sisters. Now are there shadow and light, absolutely, you know.

Speaker 3:

But the majority of people aren't being necessarily chased around by the negative they're. They just feel like that because they've never tuned into the energy of what it feels like to have their benevolence coming forward or having loving ancestors coming forward, or feeling the elements of the you know different elements all around them, and so when they start tuning in, it's like people are really. It's that awareness of self, and that's what's really important is knowing who you are and having that self-awareness so that you can feel more in control of what's going on and not just like it's running you over. And now you're feeling really like, like we're talking about that, that sense of psychosis, right, and that's what we're here to do is to talk about that.

Speaker 2:

And I and I think that's true, like I think there are some people who, when they start their spiritual awakening and they there really are newbies that it feels really dark and really heavy. And I think that's because culturally we have so much of it, like the horror movies, the, the, the ghosts, the paranormal seekers it all has this darker undertone, and so there's a lot of people out there that think that the spiritual world is a dark and heavy place, when that's just the dark side and there's so much light. And so as we enter into this spiritual scene, it's focusing in on what you want to experience, because the darkness is out there. If you want to go find it, you will find it, and if you want to seek out the light, you will find it as well. And so it's knowing what you're available for and what you're not.

Speaker 2:

And I've definitely worked with people where it's much more dark than light in the beginning, and when that is happening, I'm, I'm please seek out support, please seek out a light worker that's going to help you find that that path of transmutation of, because oftentimes those darkness is also a reflection of your own childhood wounds and religious wounds and everything from our past and including our past lives, that is coming to the surface, to uh, in a way it might be very frightening and in that frightening, um, it can feel like things are out of control. Things can feel like, um, you don't know what's happening or why it's happening. And seeking out and really trusting that you do have helpers out there in the physical and in the spiritual, and trusting your intuition that's going to lead you to the right person. And I've had lots of clients like that too, where it's just everything is dark. It's very scary for them and they found me. And by finding me, I was able to help them find that level of control and to start shift their energy of looking for the light, looking for the positivity, looking for the places and spaces in which that expansion energy can show up, rather than feeling like they're in a dark hole of scary things happening to themselves. Right, and so it can be a process and there are so many healers out there that can help with the process.

Speaker 2:

So if there's ever a time of overwhelm of this is too much. This is why going in nature like closing your crown chakra and when we say that, it's like envisioning your crown chakra like a dandelion flower During the day it's like envisioning your crown chakra like a dandelion flower During the day it's nice, wide open, and at night it closes up and then you can just imagine one golden thread moving from your crown chakra all the way up to source creator energy and in that way you're feeling still tethered to that intuition, but you're not energetically open to all of the things. Seeing all of the things is a bit much. It's a bit much for me. You know, like I don't want to see all of the things. Like I know there's, it's out there, and if I wanted to I could. But like why? For what purpose?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly. And yeah, exactly Because there is, there's purpose in it at some points. But then, beyond that, it really is like don't you just want to be human too, don't you? You know, at some point we just want to be like I just want to go enjoy my day and not feel bombarded by everything spiritual that's going on, or even that our terminology, even though it is the language in which we adapt to sometimes even that can be too much. You know, when we're just trying to have a regular day and it is so it is, what is an alignment for you? What is it that you want to connect to? And so, when you understand that you kind of have your outline of the things that you want to really attach to that you not attach but you want to connect with. Okay, what do you want to connect with? How do you want your day to be?

Speaker 3:

Setting your intentions in the morning, having some level of ritual in the morning that's going to set your day right, the energy for your day. That is so important. And I find for myself that something like I do that every morning, every morning, when I come in, I'm like giving thanks that I'm here. I do the call in of myself because I've been out doing work and then I come home to my body Right, and then and it's literally like that quick it's not like I have to lay there for an hour, it's just moments but then I start receiving the downloads of what I'm meant to learn about and then once I get, like, say, on my phone or something, and I scroll through just like seconds, there will be something I'll hear that connects to that download. Then when I take a shower, then it's like so it's or I'll, I'll sit in with intention to receive that download. So it really is for us to recognize like what am I available to, how open am I? And if it's not feeling good, I have the power to say enough, I have the power to say let's dial this down just a little bit. So it's, you know, smudging yourself. It's lighting candles, it's being intentional, it's journaling.

Speaker 3:

If that's what you're called to do, it's going for a walk in nature. If that's what you're called to do, it's going for a walk in nature, it's kicking off your shoes and literally walking on the dirt in the grass, hugging a tree. You know, there's a lot of things that we can do, and it may seem cliche, because a lot of people are saying like, oh, hug a tree. But it literally is like so freaking powerful, like go hug a tree and and give it away. And you know, like, offer whatever your burdens are to the tree and allow it to go into the roots of the tree and into the earth, and do it because then you feel lighter. We have all these tools around us that you know.

Speaker 3:

It's amazing to me how many people don't look up, they don't see what's around and they don't notice what's around them. Right, we're just so busy that we're just go, go, go, go, go. And then when you actually stop and take a breath and just tune into your breath, tune into your physical self and notice what's around you, it's a beautiful world, but we get so indoctrined and so like focused on what's happening collectively, like you know, and we're not even focused on our personal life. Or it's like what's going on in the world? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3:

What's going on in your world. What's happening in your world? What gratitude can you have for your world? And your gratitude, your love, your appreciation for what you have going on will ripple out into the world and that is, as lightworkers. How we change the world is by changing ours, and then we become that beacon of light that ripples out that frequency, that energy that others start to tap into, and it will have a profound effect on others around you, which then they go into their community and their homes and they start doing the work. And so if it starts with us, it will ripple out and the world will change as a whole. But if we are in this great awakening, we are realizing that the veil is being lifted, we're stepping out of that spiritual amnesia and saying here we are, we're rising up as humans in our soul, body, coming forward.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, yeah, I love it. I think that is a beautiful place to recognize and that it really does come down to our free will intent, and this is why we will say again and again, again having your own self-care practices and rituals and really recognizing what is your energy, what is stuff that is coming from your past, what is things that you want to call in for your future, is so important, and so we are here to support you, we're here to love on you, we're here to guide you in the light, and so, with that, may the whispers of wisdom rise from within.

Speaker 1:

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