Wisdom Rising

Healing Burnout: Nervous System Regulation and Sacred Self-Connection

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa • Season 3 • Episode 6

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You've felt it—that moment when you realize you've been pouring from an empty cup for so long that your body is screaming for rest. In this deeply personal episode, Isabel opens up about hitting her breaking point after months of overwork, sharing the raw truth of what happens when we prioritize productivity over presence.

This isn't just another conversation about self-care—it's a radical exploration of how our nervous systems hold the key to authentic spiritual connection and how societal programming keeps us trapped in cycles of depletion.

Through her research into polyvagal theory and the concept of "human givers versus human beings," Isabel offers a revolutionary perspective on burnout, particularly how it manifests differently in those socialized with feminine energy. She and Christine delve into what it truly means to balance masculine and feminine energies (hint: it's not about being 50/50, but finding your unique harmony), how to recognize when your nervous system is dysregulated, and practical ways to come back into balance without abandoning yourself.

Along the way, they cover:

  • The cost of prioritizing productivity over presence
  • Emotional and physical signs of depletion
  • Radical self-care and nervous system healing
  • Polyvagal theory and its role in burnout recovery
  • Human givers vs. human beings
  • Impact of societal conditioning on our feminine energy
  • Harmonizing masculine and feminine energies (it's not a 50/50 split)
  • Practical tools for nervous system regulation and self-reconnection
  • Healing as uncovering your true nature, not fixing yourself
  • Reclaiming intuition, creativity, and purpose
  • And more!

Whether you're currently in burnout, recovering from it, or hoping to avoid it altogether, this conversation offers both wisdom and practical tools to help you reclaim your sacred self. Because revolution doesn't always look like fighting external battles—sometimes it looks like coming home to yourself and remembering who you were before the world told you who to be.

Ready to regulate, realign, and come back home to yourself? Join our Reclaiming the Sacred Self Masterclass! Click here to learn more and enroll: https://moonrisinginstitute.circle.so/c/reclaiming-th

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Speaker 1:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene, isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy, healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Hello, hello and welcome back to another amazing episode here on the Wisdom Rising podcast. In today's episode, christine and I are back for another amazing conversation where we're diving into some of the topics that have really been lighting us up lately. This is part one of a two-part conversation. The next podcast episode will be coming out soon, where we'll be diving more into the techniques, the tools, the learnings we've been experiencing and how we're integrating those into our daily lives. But in this part one episode we are really diving into my side of the story.

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You heard from our solstice check-in podcast episode where Christine and Chantel have been at in their lives and their journeys. And today we're diving into where I've been for the last three weeks and why I needed to take a step back from everything, as I was in the midst of pretty deep burnout, fatigue and a rough mental health place, as a lot of things in my personal life were just kind of falling apart. And in today's episode I'm sharing how that moment of kind of being broken open by everything and really just letting myself take the time to rest, letting myself take the time to recognize I'm burned out, I'm giving too much of myself, what do I need to do to get back into balance, has opened up an entire new pathway of learning. So in today's episode you'll hear us talk about regulating your nervous system, about how burnout shows up for men and women and some of the amazing research that I've been really interested in. We'll talk about balancing your divine, feminine and sacred masculine energies and why that's not exactly what we're often taught to believe those energies look like, how we can bring those into harmony in our own bodies and the importance of being able to take a step back and really claim that you are worthy of the space that you take up. So today's episode is much more personal and story-oriented than a lot of our podcasts, but my hope is that by listening to it, you'll walk away knowing that if you're struggling, if you're feeling burnt out, if you're feeling dysregulated, that you aren't alone, and also give you some inspiration and little tidbits of wisdom and knowledge and research and science and spirit that can help you come back home to yourself and if you are feeling that call to come back home to yourself, to really regulate yourself, connect deeper, find meaning again, reconnect with your creativity, et cetera.

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I am so excited to announce that Christine and I are teaching a five-week masterclass, starting on July 21st 2025, called Reclaiming the Sacred Self, because revolution starts from within. This masterclass is a five-week women's circle designed to help you break free from external expectations and return to the sacred core of who you are powerful, creative and whole. This is the whole theme of today's podcast episode my own journey that I'm currently on of reclaiming my sacred self and through this masterclass, through somatic and embodiment practices, nervous system and energetics training and real talk about sensuality, sexuality, creativity, safety, inner power, inner child healing, subconscious reprogramming all of these things this masterclass really invites you to explore what it means to truly come home to yourself. So we're going to look at how our nervous system holds survival patterns, how the masculine and feminine energy dynamics inform both our inner and outer worlds, and how disconnection from our body often masks itself as strength. So by the end of this masterclass, our goal is to really create a sacred space where you can walk away with a deeper understanding of your nervous system and how to create safety within it, using the latest research and tools to regulate and resource without abandoning yourself.

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Clarity on how your masculine and feminine energies move through you and how to flow with them, and why that's important in the first place. Embodied wisdom from both Christine and I on how to embrace your divine feminine in all her glory. And an honest, embodied understanding of sensuality, sexuality and sacred self-expression that ties right along with developing your personal practice of self-connection, including self-love, creativity, sacred pleasure, the ability to walk along the edge of growth without pushing yourself too far and shutting down or burning out. This really is for the person who is feeling that call to reconnect with your inner world, shed societal conditioning, come back to your foundation of strength rooted in softness, honesty and embodiment, and create a life that feels sacred to you, that feels like it fits like a glove that feels like you can show up without being scared, that feels like you can embody. That confidence and feel at home in yourself is really our goal for this course, and it is born out of everything that Christina and I have been learning in our personal life.

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So this isn't something that you know. We're teaching these topics because they're there. It's we're teaching these because we've really been walking the walk ourselves for the past few months, as you'll hear in today's podcast episode, and we want to share with you the tools and techniques that have been making such a huge difference in our own lives. So, if you're interested, this five-week masterclass starts on July 21st. You can do a one-time payment or our two-part payment plan. We would love to see you in class.

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Classes will be on Mondays from 5 to 7 pm Mountain Time or 7 to 9 pm Eastern Time, and all of the recordings will be available for you to watch at a later date. And, of course, if you're not interested in the masterclass but you would like to stay connected with us, make sure you come find us in our Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics Facebook group and over on YouTube as well, so that you can stay connected and receive all of the content, all of the connection, all of the love that we have for this community and all of the exciting tools, techniques, personal shares, everything that we have coming your way. And before we dive into the episode, don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so you can get access to new episodes sooner. And with all of that said, I hope you enjoy today's episode. Be sure to look out for part two coming out soon. Let's go to the show.

Speaker 2:

I think we're totally ready to dive into our topic for today Self-connection, sacred space and somatic healing and really like this a beautiful recap of what Isabella has discovered for herself over the last few weeks of being away how we are going to bring that inspiration to others and really feel into our sacred homes within ourselves.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely so. For all of you who are just joining us, we'll start today, as we do, with a welcome. Welcome back to another amazing conversation. I am so excited to be back on the mic on the screen today, like I was sharing with Christine a little bit earlier. It's been a minute since I've done one of these and I had a little bit of the pre-show jitters this morning, because I think we all know what it feels like to be in the flow and in the momentum of what you're doing and where you're going, and I took a really lovely couple weeks off in June to just reset, and so my momentum with the podcast and the YouTube and connecting with the community kind of got turned in a different direction, and so it's nice to be back in the flow. But I'm also really excited to be able to share all of the things that I've been learning and taking away and how it's really mirroring a lot of what Christine's been learning and taking away too and why we're bringing that together here.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I love it and I'm really excited for this conversation. I haven't really got to hear a lot about Isabel's time away, so, like part of me is just really curious about what she's been diving into and I love hearing like, oh, it's parallel my journey. I'm like, yeah, freaking tastic, yeah, let's go, because I definitely have been on my own path and journey of somatic healing work and tuning into myself and really knowing that that is the place where you know our true divine essence resides within us and you know there are so much things that are happening in the world that are distractions from really finding our home within our heart space and within our bodies. And how can we celebrate this beautiful gift that we've been given to to animate in the world?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it's so interesting because I feel like this whole time over the last month, right, so our timeline that we're looking at here is really for moon rising launching schedule and all of these schedules, and we just kind of looked at it and realized we've really, in putting our heart and soul into moon rising to make it what it is today, we've really lost touch with that intuitive, flowing side of things and what that means to be connected with spirit and letting moon rising have its own energy and its own momentum and supporting us as we find our own alignment. We've really kind of stepped away from that. And so we took a big deep breath and we said, okay, you know what this summer is going to be, the summer where we just follow our passion, we just follow our flow and we're going to see what happens when we really truly run the business, lead the community, from this space of deep intuitive connection, what happens. And it was really interesting because we made this kind of internal announcement, internal agreement, we looped Chantel in and our whole team was on board and it was really interesting because I felt like, on the one hand, I had this really beautiful energetic container with the company of yes, we're going to move in flow, we're going to move in alignment, we're going to move in passion this summer. And then, on the other hand, I had how I was feeling personally, which was not great.

Speaker 1:

I've had a really intense year. I think there was a point in May where I stopped and I kind of looked around and I said to my husband I don't think there's a single area of my life going back to our life balance wheel, those 10 areas of life that we have right in the last four to five months and really feeling like I was feeling really ungrounded, I was feeling really burnt out, I was feeling really dysregulated and it was one of those where, just because of the way that things were landing through the year, I just kind of had to keep going. You know, sometimes there are moments in life where our soul is calling for a break and we know it's coming, but we have to just kind of keep moving through. And so that's really where I was in May and I was feeling this pressure, this dichotomy between, yes, let's lean into alignment, yes, let's lean into flow, yes, let's lean into our intuition with the company. And then where I was in my personal life and I had this moment where I just kind of stopped and you know, our last round of Soul Rising had graduated, like classes were done, teaching was done, and I took this big breath and I remember sitting back and going I don't think I know how to connect to my intuition right now Like I feel so out of alignment, so out of flow, so out of touch that all of these things that we're teaching our students how to do and we're sharing about and connecting to spirit and doing your journey, working, being connected with nature and all of it.

Speaker 1:

It was like I sat back and I was like I've lost it Somewhere along the road. This year. I have just gotten so out of touch. And the reason I'm saying this isn't so that we open this podcast with a oh poor Isabel kind of story, but because I really one of the things that I've really been leaning into over the last month, as I kind of walked from that place of complete disconnection to where I am now, where I feel like I'm really getting back in touch with myself and with the flow, is that everybody has those moments. It does not matter if you do this for a living or if you have your meditation practice after your nine to five. It doesn't matter. It's not about being further along the spiritual journey or better connected or having more wisdom or any of the things, because we're human. We're going to have moments where we fall out of the flow, where we fall out of connection, where we feel like our intuition has gone quiet. And that doesn't mean that we're doing something wrong. It doesn't mean that we're bad, it doesn't mean that we failed. It just means that we're in a period of what I have been calling being stretched.

Speaker 1:

I really feel like this year has been pulling me in so many different ways, in beautiful ways, to help me really grow past my boundaries. And I was talking with Christine the other day and we were talking about your growth edge and how you kind of learn to walk that edge of your comfort zone and go a little bit past it so that you can grow, so that you can continue to evolve. And I feel like that's really what this year has been bringing me is this opportunity to say, okay, no, I'm not, I'm not in alignment. I haven't been setting boundaries the way that I could. I have been taking on too much. I have been getting caught up in a lot of the things that are happening around me, I have lost that connection to myself. And in all of that it's okay because now I have the space and I have the opportunity to figure out how to come back to myself.

Speaker 1:

And it's been really amazing over the last month to watch that transition from that moment of I am so disconnected to now where I was yesterday, where I have this huge, big, divine idea that I'm bringing to life and feeling so happy and in flow with it and so much more rooted in my self-worth and my boundaries and my vision and all of that.

Speaker 1:

But in that process there have been so many moments where it was like I see why I had to get to this point, because now I have this piece of perspective or this piece of wisdom, or that line in the book really stood out to me or this conversation really shifted my perspective.

Speaker 1:

And it's like when you kind of one of the topics that I'm sure we'll touch on that's really been standing out to me lately is the idea of how much we get into control, right.

Speaker 1:

So when we lose touch with our intuition, when we lose touch with nature, when we lose touch with ourselves, we feel like we have to hold on to everything that we have to make sure that we get caught up in. Are the bills going to be paid? Are the taxes going to be done? Is my house clean? Is it neat? Is my to-do list done? Have I done everything to the satisfaction of the people around me? Am I doing okay? Am I doing enough? And we get stuck in this feeling of trying to control everything. But when we're in that space, your energy is so tight that you're not open to seeing where you can receive help and insight from other people, where you can receive support from the divine, or even where your intuition can come back in. And so those moments where it's like I'm disconnected from my intuition, how tightly are you holding onto control? Because I know for me, in that space of burnout, it was just trying to hold everything together when what I really needed was to fall apart a little bit.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. Is there like a specific example? That kind of holds that for you Like? I would love to hear like a story of what has been going on in your life, of this situation brought out these insecurities, these vulnerabilities, these places in which I felt like I needed support and I was holding onto that control. And this image Like what was that? What was your story?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, one of the things that I'm and I've mentioned it every now and then, but I don't know that most people know I moon rising is not my only job. I hold many different roles, and one of the many different roles that I hold is I've been really deeply involved in the creation and circulation of a documentary on homeopathy and it's become this really big deal. We've had probably over a million people see it by now, like my face has been all over some of the alternative health channels, and it's been this really beautiful opportunity to bring this side of myself that is connected to homeopathy and natural healing and all of this stuff, and have this project that I've been so passionate about about. You know how do we put this into documentary form, to share it with the world, to share this idea with millions of people, and that vision has really pushed us along and helped us move, and I've been working with this beautiful team for the last gosh I think it's been five years now and I got to this year and it just really was.

Speaker 1:

From December of last year, 2024, to the end of May. Really, it was just one huge project after another. So from December to January, I was launching a telehealth company. And the way that it happened is I ended up doing probably 90% of the infrastructure for the company, just because that's kind of how the dust settled. And then in February we had the first huge premiere for the film, where like half a million people saw it. It was a really big deal. And again I was kind of coordinating everything. And then come March we were actually we had launched the telehealth company and then we had to do some like internal restructuring, just because that's how new companies go Right. And so then it was looking at all of the team members and the clients and everything that we were doing and how to restructure that. And once again, because I was, you know, the operations director for the company, a lot of that fell on me. Director for the company, a lot of that fell on me. And then in April we had another huge screening for the film. And then come May we wanted to figure out how to make the film available for rent and purchase, and once again that fell on me. And so it was.

Speaker 1:

You know, in addition to all of the wonderful, amazing things that we do for Moon Rising, it was also this six months of really intense work coupled with a lot of the interpersonal dynamics and politics and things, and I just found myself sitting there in May going. I don't know that I want to do this anymore. I don't know that I like this. I don't know that I enjoy this.

Speaker 1:

I am incredibly burnt out and it was one of those where you know, I would go to get on a meeting and I would have to like turn off my camera because I would just start crying, like my nervous system was just that dysregulated where it was.

Speaker 1:

I was being asked to do way too much and, in the spirit of taking that radical responsibility, I was letting myself take on too much Right. And so it's that balance of realizing that the environment that I was in was not supporting me and was really kind of taking advantage of the gifts that I had and was able to bring forward. And I was letting myself be taken advantage of right Because I could have put the boundaries in place, I could have said something, and I didn't. And so this kind of combination of things of over six months of this in the dynamics and in the workload, I was just feeling so burnt out and so disconnected and random crying and like two hours of all I have the energy to do is lay on the bed every day because my brain is just so exhausted, you know. And so we got to that point with Moon Rising where we were like we're going to take everything intuitively and I was like I think my intuition is just going to have me lay in bed all day because I am too tired for this.

Speaker 2:

And I was like yeah, you probably should Like. I didn't know all of those pieces and I felt like I knew that you had been overworked. And if I could give some grace on our end of just like. And if I could give some grace on our end of just like, if you need to lie in bed all day, lie in bed all day, like it is okay, like, especially when we, we like I. Right now we have one more class that is having their final class this Thursday. You know like we're we're in we're in our summertime. You know like we get to take a break and we get to enjoy the weather, and we get to take a break and we get to enjoy the weather and we get to go play outside and we get to do these things. And I just saw you like really have like. I thought I was seeing burnout like months ago and I was like, oh goodness we got to do something for Isabel Right, and that's the thing.

Speaker 1:

Right Is part right. Part of the reason that we're having this conversation today is because I was burnt out back in February or March and because of the patterns that I have, because of what I'm learning is programmed into my nervous system, because of the way that my mind feels like it needs to make safety for me in the world, my primary defense mechanism, really, that it uses to try and keep me safe, is to do everything perfectly, to take on the workload, to always say yes, to do it to the best of my ability, and if it's not good enough or what other people is expecting, then I find a way to make it happen. Right, that has been up to this point. The archetype of who I am is I will say yes to everything. I will make it happen. I will take on all of these responsibilities so that the community, so that the students, so that the film, so that the company, so that whatever it is right, has what I felt like was the energy that it deserved. But the problem was that in doing that, I wasn't giving myself the energy that I deserved, and so I had so much energy going out and really no energy coming in, especially at a time where my husband was in a really rough spot in his personal life. My parents have been in a really rough spot. My grandfather was diagnosed with some health stuff. Like there was just everything possible happening right. And I can look at it now and, with the lovely support of Christine and our Moon Rising team, right, I had two weeks to take off in June and really hit that point of I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 1:

You know, like if I keep pushing this way, if I keep saying yes, if I keep believing that the only way that I'm going to be safe or enough or loved or stay connected to my community or all of these beliefs that so many of us hold right, if I keep holding the belief that the only way I'm going to keep those connections, keep that worth, keep that enoughness and value, is by producing and being productive and pushing myself and doing everything perfectly, that is not sustainable and my nervous system is literally screaming at me at this point to stop and to let it go. And so I hit a point. I remember I was laying in bed and I was thinking about all the things and I was like, okay, I'm letting it all go. And it was like I think we all resonate with this right, those moments where your brain is just so loud, like there's all of the thoughts and all of the shoulds and all of the limiting beliefs and all of the well, if I don't do this, then I'm not worth this, or I'm not enough, or I should be able to do better, and it just builds into this like white noise of anxiety and stress, right, and I remember I was sitting there and I was going.

Speaker 1:

All of these fears, all of these limiting beliefs, all of these actions that I have taken to get myself to this space of really deep burnout, right when I'm having the daily headaches and my nervous system's going into shutdown and I'm crying when I'm on meetings and all these things, right, I'm sure that many of the women, especially in this conversation, can understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:

I got to this point where I realized all of those thoughts that are fueling me to get to this point are rooted in this fear that I'm going to do it wrong, that I'm going to fuck it up. Right, and I had your voice in my head, in the back of my mind, going but you can't fuck it up and I just had this moment where I was sitting there and I was going. I am so worried about doing it right for everybody else that I am pushing myself back into a space of illness and dysregulation and depression, and I've been there before. I don't want to do that again. And so you know what? I would rather be a disappointment. I was like I was sitting in my bed and I was like, no, fuck this. I would rather be a disappointment than feel like this ever again in my life and it's like this baby version of rock bottom.

Speaker 2:

Well, and I think that's exactly like sometimes those lessons come in so hard. We really have to get those lessons by hitting that rock bottom place and knowing that all of the structure that we had created was to support this false idea of perfection. And the mom and the moment I was like let's just say fuck it, If we don't want to do a podcast, we're not inspired and we're like having to brainstorm an idea, we shouldn't be doing it. Right, Like that's out of flow.

Speaker 2:

And the more that we can find that place of I'm going to take the time to go lighten up, like meaning, like go do whatever feels good to you, to come into a place of alignment and then whatever inspiration shows up, that's what we should be doing and I, I, I feel like the more we lean into that flow, the more it's like well, of course we're going to do a Monday podcast because we're inspired now, right, Like things feel good. And even when we didn't have like really solid topics, like Isabel and I or Chantel and I, came on to do like a solstice check-in and it was like super, like I want to say it was super hot and spicy, Like it was like we were in this really fun flow and we had a bunch of people on watching and it was just like us hanging out talking about the things that we love and I think where, wherever that space of inspiration comes like, we need to cultivate more ways to figure out in our bodies and our systems and our lives of how to get there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's, you know, in that, that idea of okay, when we let it all go and we just have space for those intuitive nudges and the magic and all of it to come back in. And so I really ended up. I just kind of took two weeks completely away. It ended up being closer to three, which I'm really grateful that I had the space to do but I was like, no, you know what, I would rather be a disappointment. I'm going to take these two, three weeks off and I'm just going to do nothing no phone, no computer, no anything. I'm just going to be with myself because I have clearly lost touch with who I am. And it's so interesting too, right, like just shedding the light of transparency on all of this, because I think it's probably really easy for people to hear us on the podcast and see us in the Facebook group and feel like, oh, they have it figured out, you know, like they have all of this wisdom and their lives must be so much easier and all of these things right.

Speaker 1:

And it's like no, because in the middle of that right, I was sitting there going who am I to be teaching this stuff if I can't even be applying it in my own life? Like, who am I to hold space for students when I myself am so deeply burnt out? Right? There's always this really deep dichotomy happening in your brain because it's just trying to protect you, right, it's just trying to keep you safe. And so I really went into these two weeks of break going. I am going to let myself be a disappointment, I'm going to let myself not do anything, and obviously not like I'm actually going to be a disappointment, but that's what my brain needed to hear in that moment. Right, Is we're going to drop the expectations so we can just hold space for what's coming in.

Speaker 1:

And that did look like for a couple of days, not doing anything and just basically being a couch potato. And then that moment comes where you know we started going for hikes or we went out in nature, or I got back into my breathwork routine and I started drinking my bone broth and I got a multivitamin and I started really looking at where are the places in my physical health that I can support. And in that, going back into this space of what do I want to learn about. You know, I think that was one of the things that I really noticed is we talk with our students all the time and we talk in the Facebook group all the time about going back to the basics, right. Are you drinking enough water? Are you getting enough sleep? Are you connecting with a little bit of fun and play? Are you taking care of your physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing as a baseline?

Speaker 2:

Right, A little bit of fun and play like a heavy dose. Heavy dose, heavy dose of fun and play Everyone needs a heavy dose of fun and play, go dancing, go have great sex, like, go do the thing that just lights you the fuck up. Like let's do that, right, right, like how how much of your?

Speaker 1:

life is actually nourishing you, how much of your life is actually giving you that little bit of spark back? And I was looking back at the last six months and realizing that, like my life has not had a whole lot of spark in it for the last six months. My life has had a whole lot of work but it hasn't had a lot of spark.

Speaker 2:

And I have to say too that even when you were in those spaces like it's amazing how much our bodies and our systems are ready to be on board with the work Like you would come into sacred space with our students, put your coaching hat on, your teacher hat on, your training hat on and you were on fire. You know, it wasn't like you slipped in those spaces, it wasn't like you were showing up to class crying, and so I think that's what I also want to have people see that like yeah, you can be falling apart in your, in your life, and you're still like putting on it's not even a show, it's, it's, it really does feel like you're putting on that hat and you're embodying that persona and you live through that persona. For that time. You can hold it together for that time. So when it was time to support the students, you showed up a hundred percent, right Like, and the moment that the camera went off and the notes were done and the video was uploaded or whatever it was then you had, then you would fall apart, right Like there was.

Speaker 2:

And so I and I do that too, like there's times when I'm in a rough patch and it's like all right things are not feeling great right now and I'm going to pull my shit together and I'm going to show up for my students, because I committed to that, I've committed to my students, I've committed to this position, and so I'm going to do it anyway, and there's times and places for that. The issue becomes when it becomes this long-term thing, which is where you end up in serious burnout, right Like you can hold it together for a little while doing that, but it can't be a long-term strategy.

Speaker 1:

Right, right. And so that's really where I started and where we can kind of catapult into some of the learnings that I'm really bringing back with me. Because what ended up happening is, like Christine said, I was in this really deep burnout. I was feeling all these things. I was really stuck in my head. I made that decision of I'm just going to give myself the space to just exist, and I ended up picking up this book on burnout and if anybody is feeling burnt out, I will put the link in the chat so you can read it, because it was a phenomenal book and it was really.

Speaker 1:

It was a lot of it was things that I already knew but needed to be reminded of, but there was this one passage in the introduction. I think I got the most value out of this book in the first five pages because there was this passage in the book where the authors are talking about a different book and I don't remember the name of the other book, but they're talking about this other book where the author had kind of posited this idea of a society where there are human givers and there are human beings, right, and the human givers find their worth and their value from giving everything of themselves to the human beings so that the human beings can go and live their fullest life and enjoy the things right. And so it was this idea that there are the human givers in our society who feel the call to give everything to other people so that those other people can go experience the magic, can go, experience the love, can go, experience their fullest life right. And how those human givers are rooted in this idea that their worth comes from giving everything away, giving of themselves to other people, and not receiving in return. Right, the human beings aren't giving back to the human givers. You know, there's not a two-way street and how that energy, that archetype, is what really leads to burnout. And they had this really amazing idea in there about how that's rooted in the primary stories that we receive about feminine energy versus masculine energy. Of what is it that I want to learn right now? You know, what can I receive? What spark can be lit within me so that I feel that light and that joy again? And so I picked up this book and I had this aha moment and I was doing all this research and it just led me down this really big spiral of going.

Speaker 1:

How often do we feel like we have to give of ourselves, right, I think everybody, and especially the spiritual community, right, we can say that that particular pathway, that particular story tends to be seen more in feminine energy and there's all kinds of research and statistics that we could go into there. But really the idea is a lot of us who come into the spiritual community whether we're male, female, otherwise, right, we feel that need to give to other people, to give of ourselves, to make the world a better place, to help people heal, right. And where does that put us? That puts us as this shell where all of our stuff our suchness, as they call it in Buddhism right has been handed out to everybody else. And that's really where I was feeling.

Speaker 1:

I was like I really do feel like this shell of myself. And, yeah, I can still show up for the students because I have that deeply ingrained knowledge and wisdom and I know how to do this, and I can show up for other people because of that human giver tendency. But can I show up for myself? In this moment that's a lot harder, and that realization and noticing really starting to bring awareness back to what are the patterns that my body's having when I'm feeling this way. What's happening in my body? My heart is racing, my head is hurting. I feel like I'm like three steps behind myself. I'm not really in my body. I've got that just like deep lethargic feeling where I'm feeling way too tired to move. What's causing that? Right, and probably three or four years ago, I had heard about polyvagal theory and somatics and nervous system healing and all of this and I learned a little bit of it and I took what was needed at the time and put it into a lot of the trainings that we have, like chakra, metaphysical anatomy and physiology.

Speaker 1:

There's a lot of nervous system stuff in that. But I was really just kind of feeling this voice in the back of my head going take what you learned from that burnout book, go learn about polyvagal theory, go learn how to regulate your nervous system, because it is really clear that you are so dysregulated right now. But I was feeling like I really wasn't having times of feeling peaceful, let alone like happy, for more than 10, 15 minutes at a time. It was just like these. It felt like my life was a minefield of anxiety and depression and worry and all of these things right, and so it was like that is not me right. That is not me as a being. That is, I have the tools. I know what to do. I'm using them now, at this point in my break, and I'm still not feeling good. Why? Because my nervous system is so deeply dysregulated and it doesn't matter if I have the tools, it doesn't matter if I go do a journey, it doesn't matter if I take a deep breath or use a crystal or meditate for five minutes, because my nervous system is saying we've been in survival mode for six months and now we're shutting down, you know.

Speaker 1:

And so then it was looking at all of these pathways and looking into polyvagal theory and the way that our nervous system handles things and the difference between when we feel safe and connected versus when we are in a sympathetic response, which is our fight or flight. When we feel like and connected versus when we are in a sympathetic response, which is our fight or flight. When we feel like we have to go, do the thing, we have to control, we have to be really, really tight in our lives so that everything is okay. And then when we go into our dorsal, vagal state, which is when we just shut down, right, and we fall on the bed and we can't move for two hours, and it was like I was reading these things and I was like it's me this? This is me, this human giver that feels the need to protect myself by giving to other people, because that's the only way I'm going to find my worth. That pushes me into a sympathetic state. So I'm constantly doing, doing, doing, and guess what I've been doing, doing, doing for the last six months.

Speaker 1:

And now I've gone all the way back into that dorsal state where I am shutting down. I don't have the capacity to move, I don't have the capacity to make decisions. My husband is talking to me and I really don't have the brainpower to process what the words he's saying mean. This is exactly what's happening, and so what do I do to get it back? What do I do to come back to myself? And I started really just giving myself the grace to say, yeah, let's go back to basics, let's recognize that right now the basics aren't working because my nervous system is so dysregulated. And so I've really spent the last let's see what is it it's July 7th when we're recording this.

Speaker 1:

I've spent the last probably two and a half three weeks now doing a really big, deep dive back into neuroanatomy and neurology and psychology and polyvagal theory and all of these things that I love, all of these things that are part of me. But because I've been so busy giving myself to other people, I forgot about this side of me that loves to learn and loves the science and loves finding these new tools and learning these new things. And so now I have so many other tips and tricks up my sleeve where my day has really shifted right. I've been back at work for like a week and a half now, still working on the homeopathy side of things, setting a lot of really good boundaries there, and I've had so many moments where I've sat there and gone wow, I was able to speak up for myself in that conversation so much better than I could have before. Or wow, I set that boundary with a lot of ease. Or wow, I'm actually feeling really good right now. Or even, wow, I'm feeling really dysregulated and I know that I'm worthy to close the computer for a minute. Go do my regulating exercises and come back.

Speaker 1:

Because if I continue to push myself, if I continue to do this piece of work or this thing on my to-do list in a state of dysregulation, not only is that task not going to get done as well, but also it's just going to push me deeper into dysregulation, and that's not going to serve anybody, because then I can't show up for the community, I can't show up for my family and I can't show up for myself, right. And so I feel like I've come back and obviously this is, you know, sparknotes version of all of this. But it was so funny because I got to the last three days of my break and I had this idea that Spirit has been trying to give me for like four years now. Like I remember being I was telling Christine about this I remember being in my history class in college, like in the history like study group that we had to go to once a week, and I was doodling in my notes and I still have it, and I just got this really clear vision, this really clear message of a name and a logo, and I have the original sketch, which is so cool, right.

Speaker 1:

But that was like four years ago when I was sitting in history class and Spirit was like, hey, what if you made this thing? And I've just kind of it started as now's not the time, and then, as I got deeper into the work and deeper into subconsciously being and fulfilling that human giver role, right, that piece that could have been fueling me, that I could have been making from this really joyful space, just kind of kept getting swept under the rug. And when I finally gave myself the space to say let's look at the patterns that are happening, let's help my nervous system get back into regulation, let's let go of a little bit of that need to be a human giver and recognize that if I keep doing that I'm going to lose myself, I'm going to kill myself, essentially because your nervous system can't keep up at that point, right, and your nervous system controls everything. So when those signs of physical health start to go, it's like okay, that's a really big red flag. So when I give myself the space to acknowledge all of that, to let go of the judgment around that because the other thing with the nervous system that I have been really loving leaning into lately is there is so much of the work that we do in the shamanic world and in the facilitation world that is helping people understand myself included their limiting beliefs and the stories that we tell ourselves and the things that are happening in our mind that keep us held back right.

Speaker 1:

But when it comes to your nervous system, your nervous system doesn't care about meaning, it doesn't care about stories. It is literally like an on or off switch Is this safe or is it not? And so when your nervous system is dysregulated, yes, we have the call to figure out where was that limiting belief, where is this rooted, where is this coming from? But that happens later. Our first call is to go.

Speaker 1:

Right now, my nervous system feels like it's in danger. My nervous system feels like it needs to fight or collapse, and it doesn't matter if it should be feeling that way. It doesn't matter if it's supposed to be there. It doesn't matter if that response is warranted or not. That's how it feels. And so your nervous system is kind of this really amazing black and white system in the midst of the gray of limiting beliefs and stories that you tell yourselves and all these things. And so, when you can come back into that and go, okay, my nervous system feels dysregulated.

Speaker 1:

Can I bring myself back into balance and recognize that you don't have a choice At some point? If you're dysregulated, you're going to continue to be dysregulated until you have to make a change. So you can either keep pushing it off or you can look at it and say it is what it is. This is how my nervous system feels. What can I do in this moment to help take those steps to come back into balance?

Speaker 1:

And as soon as I started doing that and giving myself the space to let go of that need to give of myself, to let go of that habit of being in dysregulation and to really just come back to myself again and again and again and look at what does it feel like if I connect with my intuition for two seconds today, if I go outside in nature for five minutes, if I take my walk and I take some deep breaths and I give myself those little opportunities to come home, and all of a sudden, in the last three weeks of, or the three days that I had left in my break, that idea that I got from spirit four years ago has just come back through in full force and it's like I've had so much energy to be able to go make the things, to go write the things, record the things, create the things from this place of really happy excitement to do it, while knowing that that idea is coming through me because I finally got the message. You know that I have to show up for myself and I have to create that space. We are all worthy of creating that space to take time for ourselves, to take the deep breaths, to have a little bit more stillness and ease in our lives and to let go of all of the rules and the pressure that society has put on us that we've been programmed into, to really let those go and recognize those rules never existed in the first place. So, knowing that, what rules are you going to play into in your life? What structures are you going to give yourself? How much freedom and ease can you allow yourself? Knowing that it's this big, beautiful combination of your nervous system and your limiting beliefs, and the stories and how you feel worthy and all of these things right, and so all of this to say, it's been this really interesting, really winding pathway of all of these little moments where it was like, oh, I did need to hear that, I did need that piece of information. Like, for example, little story time here, this drum that I have in the background of my video here.

Speaker 1:

I played that drum in Houston this January when Christina and I went up to do some workshops and I fell in love with her, loved it so much, obviously had to give it back because it didn't belong to me when we were done with the workshops. It belonged to Misty of Lighthouse Reiki, houston, and I left it there with her after the workshops and I went home and at the start of break I had a dream about the drum and so, on a whim, I messaged her and I was like, hey, any chance that drum is available for sale? And it was. And I was like great, fantastic, beautiful, so grateful that I get to have this. So the drum arrived and the box was completely mutilated, Like UPS did a terrible job of getting me this drum. And so we submitted an insurance claim and Misty had insured it for a specific amount.

Speaker 1:

And I was right on that cusp of feeling the burnout, getting that idea coming back into my head, and I was like, okay, universe, let's play a game. If we get the full refund back from this drum, I will take that as a sign to go follow this idea that you've given me full force. Right, because we have the space to do that. We are allowed to ask for signs, we are allowed to ask for reassurance. There is nothing wrong with doing that. And so I was like universe, if I get the full amount of the refund back, I will take it as a sign to go do this thing.

Speaker 1:

Now, the day that the refund comes back, misty sends me a receipt and then she tells me how much she's sending to my bank. And the full amount of the refund did come through. But because of the way that we split shipping, I got $5 less back from the refund than what I would have been the full amount. And I was like and so I told Misty the story and I was like it's just so interesting because I was really expecting the universe to be like yeah, go follow the thing. And she sent me back this voice message and she was like you know why that happened is because the universe can't give you 100% until you're giving 100%. So that full refund is there, the universe is ready for you to go do the thing. That was your sign, but those $5 got held back because you're holding yourself back, right?

Speaker 2:

And it was like this huge aha moment of oh my God, you're absolutely right. I love Misty because she just drops these truth bombs on you and it was fantastic.

Speaker 1:

And it was this moment of once again letting myself be open to all those little breadcrumbs that life gives you, when you're letting yourself listen instead of trying to be in control, and that's completely shifted the way that I've been looking at this idea and the way that I've been handling my burnout and the way that I've been showing up for myself. Because, yeah, who am I to ask universe or spirit, god to show up for me 100% if I'm not doing the same for myself and for spirit?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Well, and it's really interesting, Like I think about like my own journey over the last one, really 2024, like that's when I was really struggling and I had to commit to this radical self-love journey. Like I'm sure everyone remembers that time and space this last winter, like really from December through March, like I was really like fully committed to finding that, that path, and really what I you know I was I've been in priestess training and power of portal and like these, this divine feminine energy and so much of it is like, yeah, we're fem, where we all have the masculine feminine energies within us and as females, we need to find that path of maturing our inner masculine and our inner feminine, right. We're maturing our masculine that can create the healthy boundaries. We're maturing our feminine so that we can be receptive and receivers and not the giver, right. Like all of that made so much sense to me as I continue my spiritual journey and it matches right along with even the Reiki precepts, like we have just for day do not anger as the first precept.

Speaker 2:

And what that really translates to is this is the, the toxic masculinity is the anger that shows up and it really goes to the anger of the past. It's reflecting on the past right and just for day. Do not worry, that is the toxic feminine of overly worrying and stressing about the future. And so we can really step back and kind of really recognize what energy is within myself and what needs maturing, what needs support, what needs love within so that we can fully mature into.

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This is my divine right to be in a body, to be human to. These are my expectations, these are my boundaries and it's okay for me to regulate myself in this way, conduct myself this way, hold this energy this way and know that when we do that, wow, our lives have really radically changed, because the people who are just energy parasites and suckers just fall away. Like you're no longer available for that energetic match. You are more likely to be. I'm in it a hundred percent. The universe is ready to match my energy because I'm doing the work I'm fully in my life is of divine service and in that has very clear boundaries.

Speaker 1:

Right. Well, and knowing that in that it's it's, it's all of that. I think so much of the time we get caught up in this idea of bringing it back into balance, right, that's like a really big thing when it comes to the masculine and feminine energies right now is that, you know, that yin yang idea of we just have to bring them back into balance, right, we each have these energies in equal measure in us, and it's like not really we have masculine energies, we have the feminine energies, right, and when you know, we're talking about maturing these and witnessing them both in ourselves. One of the things that I've also been really thinking about when it comes to that masculine and feminine, or that giver versus receiver, is it's not just about balance, it's about harmony, right, because balance can be the scales are uneven, but it's still balanced. You're giving Right, but when it's harmonious.

Speaker 2:

I think there's a lot of people who think that it needs to be 50, 50. And I'm like, I don't agree with that. I think that the 50, 50 idea of like I'm 50% masculine, 50% feminine isn't a great depiction of what humans should quote, unquote, should be Right. It's. It's more of like what feels most harmonious and inflow for you and your body. And what if that was? I'm going to be a hundred percent of my masculinity, a hundred percent of my femininity, and that looks like actually 70, 30.

Speaker 1:

Right, and knowing that that can change, like there are going to be times where you need to call on your masculine more than your feminine and vice versa. But I think especially and this goes out beyond gender and beyond sex, right this is when we look at our society, our culture. Today we live in a very masculine, energy-centered culture that is focused on doing and being productive, and capitalism and all of these things right that are very toxic. Masculinity, right, and I think that there's so much to balancing our nervous system and coming back into self and being able to create sacred spaces for ourselves and our community to do the work that has to recognize that not only do those energies have to be in well, not have to be, not only do those energies get to be in harmony, that we're constantly flowing between them, just like our nervous system is constantly flowing through the different states. But when we can recognize what those energies look like in their healthy, expressive states versus their toxic states that we see so often, it totally changes the game, because I think a lot of times there is so much harm that comes from this idea of feminine versus masculine energy. I know a lot of our students come into our programs with a lot of programming around what those energies mean, and it's like no, that's not at all. That idea that the man is the protector and the fixer and is going to go do all the things while the woman is like dainty and gentle and feminine and elegant and doesn't speak up, is like no, that's bullshit. That is bullshit.

Speaker 1:

We both, we have both within us. We have the ability to speak up, to set boundaries, to hold space for others, to shine that light fully, and we also have the space to think and to feel and to receive and to flow and to hold space for ourselves and turn that light inward. And our ability to flow between those two states is what creates the harmony, is what creates that safe space for you to be able to walk along your journey in regulation, connected with your resources, able to receive and then able to share those with others, to be able to flow between the states of your nervous system, to be able to do work that lights you up and realize I am allowed to do this work because all of the rules that society has given me, including what it means to have masculine and feminine energy, are made up, they're not real, and so I can have this quiet revolution inside myself, inside my own life, where I say, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to live a life of stillness. I'm going to live a life of ease. I'm going to live a life connected to my intuition, knowing that all three of those things can take us in and out of a masculine and feminine energy state, because we have both and we are allowed to move through those states and we are allowed to be connected with all of these different aspects of ourselves. And when we do that in a way that is harmonious, not just balanced, and we do it in a way that recognizes that where we are right now is enough, we don't need to be any more healed than we are right now to claim our worth, when we do all of these things, our systems come back into harmony, our lives come back into harmony. Our nervous systems can heal and balance.

Speaker 1:

The way that we show up can feel so much more authentic, because we're not trying to play into these made up rules that society has given us about what a work day should look like or what a life should look like, or what your energy should look like, because of your gender or because of whatever energy you feel like you have more of right, when we can let go of all of those rules and just look at the space in front of us, look at the energy that we have within us and say, just like I was talking about with your nervous system earlier, it is what it is. How can I let it be the fullest expression of that isness, of that suchness, so that I can show up fully, so that I can take up the space that I was meant to take up, so that I can express myself without checking? Is this in alignment with what society thinks, with what my family thinks, with the rules that we're supposed to play? Because those don't exist, you know Right.

Speaker 2:

And so I think that that is why, when you came back, and last week, we kind of really had a time to settle into like okay, one are we? Are we in a place of self liberation? Are we in a place of expansion? Are we ready to bring this message forward? And one we wanted to do this podcast today, but we also wanted to put together a five-week masterclass for the summer called Reclaiming the Sacred Self, which starts on July 21st, and it really is encapsulating this message of understanding how to decode, how to unlearn, how to reprogram your nervous system and understand these elements of like really what it means to really come back to your, to yourself, to your home, to what that means for you. It's about remembering who you are before you, who you were told you were meant to be, like. It's embracing that sacredness within that we were born with. Like we have a birthright, we have the sacred space within us, and society and culture and religion and all of these things have reprogrammed on top of us. We didn't lose it, it's just we have these other programs in place that that help us forget who we truly are, right. And so what would it be like to coming into a place of reclaiming that sacred self by decoding, by unprogramming, by doing a nervous system reset about how to regulate and self resource and embody the wisdom that we already have. Right, like it's not. I think that's where I get really frustrated. There's so many programs out there. It's like we need to like it's like as if it was missing. You know, no, it's always been within us. You know, it was really interesting. I'm reading with my boyfriend last night these tantric passages from Osho and like the same exact message was there, like it's always been within us. It's always there. And yet society has burdened us with these overlays, so that of patriarchal society, of capitalism, of whatever it is, and that that has been really heavy on my heart, like of how suppressed I felt even in Japan, like how heavy that programming feels when I just want to go dance and I want to go play and I want to have these vulnerable conversations and I want to be my truest expression of who I am. And how do I get to do that?

Speaker 2:

Well, it starts with the reprogramming. It starts with taking off those layers in which we've been society has put on us. So we start this five with week program to really kind of deep dive into the groundwork of how do you create sacred space of like, how do you create safety and your your own space to be vulnerable and and to discover your growth edge? And how do we do that inner balance of the divine feminine, discover your growth edge, and how do we do that inner balance of the divine feminine, masculine energy dynamics, the. How do we get to the nervous system and understand polyvagal theory? And how do we self resource to do the work and then really come into a place where we can mirror within of like what does that mean? Where did these things come from? Let's do the inner child work.

Speaker 2:

Let's look at the subconscious patterning, let's look at the self-connection, so that we can get to week five where we're really looking at power and pleasure, like what does that mean? Sensuality versus sexuality. The sacred desires sacred desires, I'm like I want to say sacred desires Like there's a reason why we have an internal desire, there's a reason why Isabel, four years ago, was doodling the thing that she did, right, like those are sacred desires that are trying to come through to give us messages, and how do we cultivate more of those and then take action upon them with creativity, with self-expression, right, so we're really are starting a this five week class on July 21st, mondays from five to seven Eastern time or mountain time mountain time so that we can really um, we can really dive in. I'm really excited.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I and you know, for me it really goes back to what you were just saying about how that deep core of yourself, that wisdom, has already been there, that soul has already been there, what you need to do, that inner pathway has already been there.

Speaker 1:

I've been thinking about this so much lately and again it's like this is why it's so cool that when we come back from our respective learning right Christine had her big aha moment in Japan I've had my big aha moments over the last two weeks of taking a break and coming back home to myself.

Speaker 1:

When we come back, there's so much alignment in what we've been learning about the somatic edge, about experiencing pleasure, not just sexual pleasure, but sensual pleasure, being able to be out in the world and enjoy using our physical senses and enjoy being human, because that's why we're here. And what does it mean? To let go of the stories and the programming that we've been given about what it means to live a good life or how we should be, so that we can step into that fullness of who we were meant to be, who we can be if we choose that path right. And one of the things that I've been thinking about lately is this idea that we have, that we're like you're saying when we're healing. We have this idea that we're're adding something to ourselves, that we're like getting pieces back of the puzzle so that one day we'll be whole one day we'll be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's crazy and it's so, not true. It's like no, everything that you're learning, all the living beliefs that you let go of, all of the trauma that you heal, all of the personality quirks that you uncover, they're just surface layers that you're kind of moving around, pulling off so that you can recognize that you that has been there all along, the you watching this, the you reading the page for our masterclass, is the same you that you were 20 years ago, that you will be 20 years from now, that deeper, truer soul. You has all of the wisdom and has all of the connection and is already whole and perfect and enough, because it is the divine. Within All of this extra stuff that we say we're healing or we're letting go of or we're breaking through, or all of that, it's just layers that have been painted on and have been packed on by society, by what we learned when we were growing up, by the energies that we surround ourselves with, by all of this, and when we can take the time to really break through that. It's not about learning the thing that's finally going to make you whole, or learning this thing that is going to completely transform your life. It's about realizing that all of that is already in you. We just have to let go of everything that's been put on top, everything that's been pushing us into this mold that we were never meant to fit into in the first place.

Speaker 1:

And so this masterclass that Christine and I created is really this culmination of all of the things that she and I have been learning, and so you're getting all of the knowledge that we've picked up, but obviously all of the passion that we have, because, as we lean into our summer of flow and intuition and connection, these are the things that have come through us to be expressed, of our sensuality and our creativity and our sense of safety in ourselves, in our nervous system, in in our inner power, and what that means to find that harmony with the masculine and the inner, the feminine energies, right. And so, at the end of this course, we're really here to help you walk away with a deeper understanding of your nervous system and how to create safety within it, with all of the new research and with polyvagal theory and all of the techniques that I've been learning and tools to help re-regulate and resource, without self-abandonment and the somatic edge that Christine's bringing, and clarity on how your masculine and feminine energies are moving through you and how you can flow with them in harmony. In that back and forth. Which energy do you need to call on most right now? And an honest, embodied understanding of sensuality, of using our physical senses to enjoy being alive. And sacred self-expression, whether that looks like the meal that you're cooking tonight or this company that you're creating, or the way that you use your words. Really letting your life be your piece of art is something I've been thinking about a lot lately and also developing that personal practice of self-connection, self-love, creativity, sacred pleasure.

Speaker 1:

Talking about the ability to walk the edge of your growth right To allow yourself to continue to expand, to allow yourself to continue to let go of those layers that aren't you, but to do so in a way that you're not shutting down, you're not burning out like I did, but you're really just coming deeper and deeper and deeper home to yourself with this mix of nervous system and somatic work and psychology and inner child work, and looking at our subconscious programming and developing these self-connection rituals and understanding, like Christine said, our sacred desires, these spirit-given desires, and how, when we can align with those. That's really what we mean when we say manifesting, it's just. Are we aligned with what spirit is trying to bring through us. When we can do that, when we can connect to our intuition, when we connect to ourselves, when we connect to spirit, things do get to flow, but we have to be able to show up for ourselves first. And so that's really what this class is about is looking at when Christine was disconnected from herself and when I was disconnected from myself. What were the things, what were the understandings, what were the pieces that we needed to remember so that we could come back home to ourselves.

Speaker 1:

And can we hold a sacred space? For you to be able to do the same thing, so that you walk out of this summer feeling more connected to yourself, more connected to the sacred, more regulated, more connected to your resources than you ever have before, is really the desire that we have for this course. So, if you're interested, it's five weeks. It's a five-week masterclass for $3.33. We do have a two-month payment plan, so super easy, super affordable, really really beautiful space for you to step into this summer and connect with us once a week for two hours, monday nights, from 5 to 7 pm Mountain Time, 7 to 9 pm Eastern Time, and really just come back home to yourself and look at releasing the programming, releasing the layers, so that by the end of the summer you can feel regulated and resourced and connected and sacred and beautiful to start off your fall.

Speaker 2:

Amazing. I love it. I can't wait. So we will see you there, and until then, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.

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