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Embracing Your Truth: Shamanism, Authenticity, and the Spiral of Healing

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa

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What if your spiritual path was never meant to follow someone else’s map?

In this illuminating episode, Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Chantelle Ochoa explore how shamanism provides a powerful foundation for authentic spiritual growth—precisely because it's rooted in direct experience, not dogma.

Together, they challenge spiritual hierarchies and the belief that healing means fixing what’s broken. Instead, they invite you to remember that beneath the layers of trauma and conditioning, your true self is already whole. Through personal stories and deep insights, they share how shamanic practices help peel away the “sticky notes” of limiting beliefs to reveal the essence of who you’ve always been.

In this episode, we explore:

  • Shamanism as a path of direct, embodied spiritual experience
  • Why authenticity may be an even higher vibration than love
  • Embracing both joy and pain as sacred parts of the human journey
  • Unique expressions of shamanism—from neuroscience to journeywork to nature wisdom
  • The myth of spiritual “perfection” and the invitation to be fully human
  • How healing is less about fixing, and more about remembering
  • Releasing limiting beliefs and outdated identities
  • Trusting your intuition as a compass on your unique spiritual path
  • Letting go of comparison and embracing your enough-ness
  • Shamanism as a way to reconnect with your original essence

If you’ve ever felt out of place on your spiritual journey, this conversation is a liberating reminder that your path is sacred—just as it is. Tune in and rediscover the power of walking your truth.

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Speaker 1:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine René, isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome, welcome back to another amazing episode here on the Wisdom Rising podcast. I'm your host for today, isabel Wells, and in today's episode I'm joined with Christine Renee and Chantel Ochoa for a special encore to last week's episode. Last week here on the show we talked about the importance of embracing your unique spiritual path and it was so popular that we're back for part two talking about how shamanism can help you awaken to that unique spiritual path. So in today's conversation we explore why we lay shamanism and Reiki as the foundation of our own spiritual practices, how this isn't a one-size-fits-all approach. But because shamanism is rooted in direct lived experience, it allows you to take what you've learned, bring it into your own life and decide what works for you. Take what resonates, leave what doesn't, and we really touch on that idea and explore how we've done that in our own personal spiritual practices. So the ways that we allow ourselves myself, christine and Chantel to embrace our unique spiritual path, and how you don't need permission from anyone else to explore something that's unique or individual or outside the box, but how we show up in our authenticity so that you can as well. We also talk about how authenticity is a stronger vibration than love, the layers of spiritual dust, trauma or limiting beliefs that we begin to peel off. The layers of spiritual dust, trauma or limiting beliefs that we begin to peel off. The importance of finding symbolism in everyday moments, and so much more. This was a fantastic conversation and if you are curious about the shamanic path and how it can open you up to finding your own unique path forward, your own unique path to embodying your highest, truest self, then this episode is for you. As I mentioned early on in the episode, we do have a very exciting announcement at the end of today's episode. You might have heard it last week as well if you tuned into that episode. So be sure to stick around to the end to hear what we have coming up for the Moon Rising community. And, of course, in the meantime, don't forget to join us over in our Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics Facebook group, a community of 4,500 amazing individuals who are walking this path, this shamanic path, the spiritual path, their unique path, right alongside you and asking the questions, sharing the ideas to help keep us all aligned and connected. And, of course, don't forget to subscribe to the podcast or find us over on YouTube to see the video version of today's episode. We're so glad you're here and we hope you enjoy today's episode.

Speaker 1:

Let's go to the show.

Speaker 1:

Welcome, welcome back to another amazing conversation.

Speaker 1:

I am so excited to be joined with Christine and Chantel today A nice little treat for all three of us to be back in the same Zoom room together recording this, so I'm really excited. This is a part two to last week's conversation on embracing your unique spiritual path, and today we're kind of taking it on a slightly different approach and really looking at specifically shamanism, because you know we're Moon Rising Shamanic Institute, we're all things shamanism here, and so we really want to look at how does that filter into the idea that everybody has their unique spiritual path, because I think sometimes people see that we focus on a couple of modalities and think, oh well, that's prescribing a you-have-to-do-it-this-way kind of approach and that's really, really not where we're coming from. So I would love to dive into that today too. But before we get started, be sure to stick around to the end, where we have a very special announcement for you guys on this same topic. So be sure to stick around to the end. But, christine and Chantel, where do you want to start?

Speaker 2:

Well, I guess I want to start by saying you know, start. Well, I guess I want to start by saying you know, we all identify as shamanic practitioners, shamanic Reiki practitioners, and all of our practices are unique. They're they're not copycats of one another. And so I just want to start off by going like it's a space and place that we embrace our individuality, our own spiritual gifts, the way we lean into it as something to be appreciated and honored, and not like you're not doing it my way, you know, and so I think that's another thing that I really want to show and reveal to all of our listeners is that, like it's okay, it's okay, all of it's okay that we don't need to match one another or have someone, someone or some type of specific practice put on a pedestal right. Like I think there's a foundation in our practices of shamanic journey work, but it's it's not the end. All be all for each, for all of us.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, totally agree with that. It's interesting, yes, because our foundation is very shamanic, but we do approach it in a different way and we honor each other and're connecting to that really deep medicine within us, whether it's connecting to nature, connecting to herbs, doing any kind of medicine, reiki, it just feels very like. For me, it's the remembering of coming back to self.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh, I love that. And you know, for me, I think that's really. I love that phrase that you said of remembering how to come back to self, because that, for me, I think that's really. I love that phrase that you said of remembering how to come back to self, because that, for me, that's always where these practices come back to is, yeah, for all of us. We have this foundation in Reiki and we have this foundation in shamanic work, and the reason we have that foundation is because it's what has helped us feel that solid, deep connection to ourselves, to nature and to spirit.

Speaker 1:

And one of the things that I love about shamanism especially is the fact that it is, first of all, it's so abundantly ancient. You know like shamanism comes from animism, which is the belief that the world around us is alive, and it's really applied animism. It's looking at, if we saw the world as alive, if we saw the world as filled with spirit, how would we interact with it? And shamanism is kind of the answer to that question. And so it's not like it's a man-made quote-unquote technique in the fact that we've just kind of like pulled a bunch of random things together and called it a modality. It's really as centuries and generations of people have walked on the earth and looked at. How can I interact more deeply, how can I connect to myself and nature and the divine? What happens, what are the practices that naturally come out of that curious exploration? And for me, that's why shamanism makes such a beautiful foundation for a spiritual practice, because it's all based on direct experience.

Speaker 1:

There's not a single thing in shamanism that we're going to say you're going to have to take our word for it. You know what I mean. It's all based on. Here's the idea, here's the theory, here's the thing that we're looking at Now. Go out in the world and experience it. Go talk to a tree, go do a journey, Go see what happens when you connect with your chakras or whatever it is. And then what does that feel like for you? What comes up for you? I tell our students all the time in journey work when they get so caught up in like, well, but I didn't see this thing or I didn't do it the way that Christine or Chantel or you did it. It's like what happens does not matter. It's the meaning that you pull from what's happening and that is completely up to you how you decide to decipher and integrate and apply. Everything is completely up to you, and for me, that's part of what makes shamanism such a good pathway into embracing your unique path in spirituality is it's all about what happened for you, you know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's the symbolic messages that are meant for you, so how we could all journey to the same location, the same idea, right, and we're all going to come back with different visions, different ideas, different knowings, because it's how we're interpreting what we're feeling, seeing and experiencing, and we might come back with the same exact message, but we're going to see it or feel it in a different way.

Speaker 2:

You know, what it reminds me of is everyone's four directions are a little different. Whether you're talking about indigenous tribes, they might interpret it different. There's not a blanket rule that the East has to mean this and the South has to be this right. It really is about your geographical location and feeling the energy of the land and what comes forward in that space, and so it's almost this. It feels similar in the fact that, like you step into the spirit world and be like who's going to show up for me here?

Speaker 2:

Who, who, if I'm calling them the directions of the South, what, what spirit animal is going to show up in the South? What element is showing up in the South? What? What energy is showing up from the South? What emotional capacity is showing up from the South? Right, and so that's going to be unique regarding if you're in Montana, like I am, or Tennessee, like Isabel, or California, like Chantel, or if I'm in Tibet, or if I'm in Peru, or if I'm in Africa, like they're all going to be very dependent upon what the nature is supporting you with around you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and the other aspect of it too is in that, right, like, part of the reason that those directions get to be so different is because, again, it's about your relationship with the land, your relationship with your guides and your relationship with nature, and seeing it again with those animist eyes. So we can look around and say everything around me is filled with spirit, everything around me is filled with wisdom, everything around me has purpose. And so what knowledge, what wisdom, what call to connection and community can I receive from everything around me? And I think about this a lot in terms of our purpose, right? I think anytime we talk about a spiritual path for anybody, it's always going to come back to this idea of, like, what's our purpose? You know this idea that we have this one path that we're supposed to follow.

Speaker 1:

And when we look at nature, you know, if we put on our animist glasses and we look outside and we look at the trees or we look at the birds, or we look at the individual flowers or the clouds or whatever it is like, pick your favorite element of nature when you look at that. There's no questioning there, right? The trees don't question if they're supposed to be standing there. The birds don't question if they're supposed to be migrating right now. They just do it. It's part of their nature and they understand that. They're not here to question or to try and figure out exactly what they're supposed to do. They're here to follow the flow of nature and the flow of life and trust that exactly where they're planted is where they're meant to bloom.

Speaker 1:

Right, and I think that a lot of that we could learn so much, especially from the trees. I love the trees, right, but especially from the trees, they root where they are planted. And if we look at ourselves, we are planted in our spiritual gifts. We're planted in the skills that we have in this lifetime. We're planted in the soil of our lifetimes and our opportunities and the people that are surrounding us in this lifetime.

Speaker 1:

Right, and I think we spend so often trying to figure out how can I make where I'm planted look like everybody else's space, so that I can rise to the occasion and meet the expectations of everybody else, when really, what we're supposed to be looking at is where were you planted? And how can you celebrate the uniqueness of that and trust that you were planted there for a reason, that your spiritual path, your spiritual gifts, planted there for a reason that your spiritual path, your spiritual gifts are unique for a reason, and we're not here. Our job isn't to question that in this lifetime. It's to embrace and get curious about how can we live those fully in this lifetime, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it definitely feels like there's like that I mean you said it so well. I'm like how can I add to this? Like I think the all of the as humans, we get so conditioned right, we're so conditioned and programmed and all of those things and how do we strip away those conditioning and those programs to get to our authentic self, like I, I definitely feel like authenticity is the highest vibe you can get, right, is your authentic truth, your authentic wisdom, your authentic showing up.

Speaker 1:

There was actually a study about this recently.

Speaker 3:

There was a study where they tested.

Speaker 1:

I think it was like your electromagnetic field, right, and they were like testing different emotions and frequencies, and I, if I remember correctly, don't quote me on this. I'll find a link and I'll post it. But if I remember correctly, the vibration of authenticity was 10 times stronger than the vibration of love.

Speaker 2:

Yes, right, I think this is what, like, the spiritual community has grown to know.

Speaker 2:

I don't think it always was like there was, has been so much in the past of love and light, high vibes, only, like all of those things, and I and I, I always it just didn't resonate Like. I always kind of came back to like I get uh inspired, I get a little feisty, I get a little um bigger when I have something that doesn't doesn't resonate and I get to talk about it, right Like. So if someone tells me you have to do spirituality this way and be in the box and show up and this, this look or whatever cause that will make you quote, unquote spiritual, I'm not going to be the first person to be like that's bullshit, right Like. And so it's very, it's always been if I'm in my most authentic truth, my most authentic voice, and what if I gave permission for others to do so? Because right in there, in and of itself, I'm accepting that I'm unique and honoring those other people and their uniqueness yeah, and what it also does, because within even the spiritual realm is there's attachments to even spirituality, right?

Speaker 3:

So many people have an attachment to how it's supposed to look, how they're supposed to do it, what they're supposed to feel, and that removes them from their authentic self. So when you are authentic to where you are, how you walk, how you show up, that love and light gets to be there. But we also have to have the balance of shadow and light, right? So that's, you know, duality, polarity, like that's what's happening here is we live in that universal law of having light and dark, and so if we're ignoring the shadow self or ignoring the darker sides of ourself, then yes, it's like, what part of us are we ignoring?

Speaker 3:

And how can you be authentic if you're just trying to suppress this part of you which eventually is going to show up anyway and always will. Right, because the more you heal, the more you work on you, the more you become authentic. Those versions are going to start showing up, they can't hide forever. Authentic, those versions are going to start showing up, they can't hide forever. And so it's like for me being authentic versus like having that love and light, which I do adore, that because I feel like, with the intention behind it, it's so it can be so powerful, but with the understanding too that it means that I'm shining my love to you, versus I'm just over here saying love and light because I work on my shadow all the time, but it is coming forward and being truly authentic to what our spiritual message is for ourself.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and in that, especially with shamanism, you know, and obviously this is about embracing your unique spiritual path and theoretically, if you're listening to this, you're called to shamanism in some way. But obviously there are so many, many ways to find that connection to self right and to find that balance. And I think for us, part of the reason that shamanism calls to us so deeply is because it doesn't turn away from the darkness or the shadow calls to us so deeply is because it doesn't turn away from the darkness or the shadow. Like part of shamanic work is being able to look at and acknowledge where your shadows are. Where is the darkness, where are the limiting beliefs, where are the scars, where are the wounds, where are the things that you try to turn away from? And instead of pushing them away right, because then, like Chantel said, we've immediately stepped out of authenticity Can we look at them and embrace them? And a lot of times I think people end up thinking, well, if I'm embracing them, then they're never going to change, right? But the beauty of shamanism is, again, if we look out our window at the nature outside. Nature is constantly evolving, it's constantly growing, it's constantly looking at what needs to change and shift to come back into balance and harmony. Right. And so, again, like if we look at the trees, if they get a fungus or they get an infection, they're not going to ignore it. Right, they reach out to their community, they use those mycelial networks to say, hey, something's wrong. How can we restore the balance, how can we restore this harmony, knowing that the health of one impacts the health of everyone else?

Speaker 1:

And I think in today's culture we're chronically suppressed.

Speaker 1:

We have suppressed ourselves, both our spiritual gifts and the things that make us unique, in trying to fit into the mold.

Speaker 1:

But we've also suppressed our shadows and our wounds and forgotten that those are the places where growth blooms. Growth happens at the edge of your comfort zone. It's kind of like a cheesy way of saying it, but those scars, those wounds, are what allow us to find our spiritual gifts. They're what allow us to become unique and embrace our strength and our resilience and these parts of ourselves that otherwise we're not looking at if we're trying to shove those aside. And so, no matter what path calls you forward, I think it is really important to find something that allows you the safety and the sacred space to be able to look at all of you and recognize it as worthy and not feel like part of you is better than or worse than the other just because one of them is bathed in light and one of you is better than or worse than the other just because one of them is bathed in light and one of them is bathed in shadow.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, love that, yeah, being bathed in light and bathed in shadow. And when you were talking, I could see us and our network connected, like our energetic network, and just how, when we show up and I mean our community as well when we show up, that's what we're doing is, we are creating that network and we're all connected, right. So when we walk on the earth, that energy goes deep into the earth and it connects us on that spiritual earthly realm, because I'm very much like, very focused on shamanism, but I love the bringing in from above and below and all of that because it's that true connection. But I know that when we are walking on the earth and all of our intentions are going deep within it and so we're connecting, our own spiritual or energetic connection is happening right now, you know, and so we are those standing trees, you know, so to speak, we're moving and we're beings, but we also have that creation.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I would love to get curious about how we each experience that like. I want the tangible stories about how our spiritual lives look and its uniqueness.

Speaker 3:

Go ahead, Isabel.

Speaker 1:

You're first Me first. Well, you know it's interesting because we started out the conversation talking about how we all have this shamanic foundation but then the way that it manifests looks so different. And part of what I love about that, and part of what I think happens when you embrace your unique spiritual path, is understanding that it's always going to change. It's never going to be the exact same, and for me right now that's really looking like. I've kind of had this like full circle moment lately where I've come back into being really interested in neuroscience and somatics and how our nervous system relates to everything. But when I did it before I went to school for nursing and psychology, so I was very much in kind of like the medical, science-y side of things, and I did that before I started shamanism and so I had this kind of like very science-y, with a little bit of spirituality perspective of it. And now that I'm coming back after a few years, having gone through really in-depth studies of shamanism, it's really fascinating to me to see all of the ways that my understanding of the nervous system has shifted because of that. And so today my spiritual practice doesn't necessarily look like doing a shamanic journey every day, but it does look like. For example, last night, I had a very rough weekend. My nervous system was not happy, there was a lot of triggers that came up and last night I was sitting there and I had been trying to like breathe through it, trying to do my meditations, and like my heart's racing and my head's pounding and I'm like something is wrong. Right, and I could sit here and I could say, well, I'm supposed to be better than this, right, like I know all the tools, I know how to do all this. I should be able to just like connect to a guide or go hug a tree and it should be fine, right.

Speaker 1:

But part of embracing shamanism and now in what I'm doing, embracing the nervous system is understanding that sometimes, when you're dysregulated, you're dysregulated and you have to go through the process of witnessing the shadow, of looking at what's crying out inside you and and letting yourself know that it's okay to do that, like it doesn't make you any less vulnerable, less spiritual or any less healed or any less anything you know.

Speaker 1:

And so for me, that was looking at myself and sitting down and like putting my legs up the wall and taking a minute to like feel into my body and noticing like the trees don't judge themselves for swaying in the wind right, like they bend, they don't break, and it's okay for me to bend too, and so I feel like for me lately it's been a lot of acknowledging that spirituality can also be very embodied and very human, like it doesn't just have to be this really theoretical, like I'm going to light a candle and hold a crystal and go on a journey and everything will be better.

Speaker 1:

It's like sometimes you have to remember that you're human, you know, and for me that's really the side of shamanism that I've been and spirituality in general that I've been embracing lately is like where are the places where we're allowed to be human and to recognize that being healed doesn't mean we're never going to be triggered, it doesn't mean we're never going to have these emotions, but it means that when we do have them, we are able to use the tools to walk through them and to get ourselves out of them.

Speaker 1:

And that's been, I think, for me, that's really been my what Christine would call my growth edge lately is really looking at all of the times where I know that I have the tools, I know how to do the things and yet my instinct is not to do them, because I quote unquote should be able to know better, right, I should be feeling, feeling better, and so that's been for me. That's really where I'm looking at. It now is looking at how can I blend all of these things that I know the science and the spirituality and the shamanism and the light and the shadow and all of it and recognize that, like, just because I'm a spiritual teacher, whatever you would call me, doesn't mean that I'm not also human, you know, yeah yeah, love.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was yesterday. I was. I was doing some shamanic Reiki work, believe it or not, right, and it kind of reminded me of the very first shamanic journey I had into the lower world, where it was like I was in this really cool seaweed forest and I was kind of floating through and moving away these curtains of seaweed and going I, where the hell am I? It was so unique and different and, um, and I think that was this reminder yesterday of I'm still surprised at what shows up and how they show up and who you call in and sometimes you're not calling them in and skunk enters the room and sprays the room because he's using his lovely perfume to clear the energy, right, and it's just like, okay, it's this feeling of I'm just here, holding space and allowing what needs to show up, show up. And, um, it's been. I've had a very unique, interesting relationship with journey work. Right Like there's definitely places and spaces in the shamanic realms that can be really intense for me and there's other times where and I have a lot of lessons, right Like I'm constantly getting these lessons in the spirit world, and last week I did a journey and I thought that I was going to go in and have this healing and and I was instead like kind of beat up and my power animal was like, are you just going to take it or are you going to get up and be strong about it? You know, like those are the types of lessons I get. All the time it's like, oh yeah, I'm in a human suit. I got to, I got to, I got to be, I got to be able to get in my full energy, my full power and be able to take up more space and be okay, taking up more space. And sometimes I just need to have my little pity party and then like, okay, here we go, let's do the things, and lighting the candles and holding the crystal and being able to recognize this is who I am. I think it comes back to I. I am Christine, renee, this is who I am. I'm, I can be the fullness of who I am.

Speaker 2:

And however I look in spirit world and in this physicality of life you know so it's, it's. I feel like even in my shamanic journey work, it feels very unique and different than you know, the normal. But I think I've also because of that I've experienced so much in the spiritual realms I do feel like I have one foot in the spirit realm. I'm one foot in the spirit realm, I'm one foot on the earthly world and I'm doing this dance constantly of how much am I over in spirit world and how much am I in my physicality, and it was.

Speaker 2:

And when I go into a space where it's like, nope, I've got one pinky toe left in the physical realm and I'm all the way in on the spiritual world. What is happening here? How can I ask for support where I need it and ask for my guides or angels or power animals to show up to support me, and so, or in the session right, like my, for the benefit of my client, like it's so interesting to watch this kind of rocking back and forth that I do in my life, and sometimes it's I got a pinky toe in the spirit world and I'm, you know, 90% of my life. I'm fully in my physicality with one pinky toe over in the spirit world Right, and then it's like I rock back and find that harmony, find that balance between being in my human suit completely and being in the spiritual realm where I can pick up a lot of information, a lot of. I can have a lot of really profound metaphorical experiences that speak to my life or my client's life.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, having that balance is it can be tricky, you know it really can, because we we do ride the veil right Like we're, we're through the veil back into our, our human experience, and so, um, for me it's like definitely finding that balance of family. And what am I doing so for me, family, and what am I doing so for me? Like my shamanic practice that I do is when I do connect to nature, so like, for example, yesterday we were just hanging out back and you know I was telling you guys that you know I was floating in the pool and you know, but I work with the elements, so it's like I'm working with the water and I'm calling in the wind and you know, listening to the birds and what messages come through, and then I kind of like catnapped in the pool and then it was interesting because my husband and I were having some conversations yesterday and what I was trying to convey to him wasn't really like being conveyed the way I thought. You know I was speaking it, so it's interesting. So we're in the backyard and then he's watering down the plants and whatever, and there's a bat on our screen. Okay, it's midday. There's no bat. There should be no bats out for one and I don't have bats in my neighborhood, like, I don't have bats right here, they're further down the road, anyway.

Speaker 3:

So he's like, oh my gosh, I have, there's a bat right here, and he kind of sprayed, like when he was spraying and it came up and flopped and fell on the ground and then it flew away, went up into the bush, and I was like, what does the bat represent? So then he's looking at what the bat is. So here we are now and we're bringing in that spirit animal, that message that only nature can give us sometimes, right, like something is going to cross your path and then you're going to say, okay, what does that represent? And that is, you know, looking, yes, at your shadow. What are you hiding within yourself that you don't want to see? Right, opening up new conversations, and so it was just very interesting. I'm like that is everything I was trying to convey earlier and I go, but it couldn't be heard, so nature had to show it to you. And then he cause, it wasn't me that saw the bat, I mean, I came to it and was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe there's a bat there. But it was the message for him, and so that is how working with nature really shows up is, if you do need the wind to show up, speak to it. It's kind of like when we were in Clancy and I went and said goodbye to the tree that you know, my spirit tree, and then the wind just came up and then, you know, went in. I was like, was that wind for you? And I was like, yeah, and it was amazing and we all can do that right, it's just connecting and trusting that when it shows up, that we can give thanks to it and give gratitude to it.

Speaker 3:

But there is a lot of yeah, how we work with our thoughts. And so last week I was going through a lot of that and you know, I had so many thoughts and I shared that last Friday. But once I processed them and allowed myself to process them, I'm okay, and I just have certain dates in the year that I know are going to hit me different, and last week was those dates, and this week I feel really vibrant and good and I'm like I'm okay. You know, I'm human. I get to fill into my grief, I get to pull back those layers, because that's what we're doing here all the time. Anyway, it's just layers that we are still having to peel back. You know, in the very beginning we're like peeling chunks off of ourselves and eventually we get to these little, finite little layers that we're just kind of like peeling back and I feel like that's where I'm at. But those tiny little layers can be really heavy, especially if you're not having a lot of emotional pullbacks like we used to, and then we get hit with one. It's like, oh, where'd that come from? You know, and it is a lot of work.

Speaker 3:

But I was telling a client the other day. She came in for an attunement and I was explaining to her about this, about being like animism and all of that, and I was like everything in my space is energy, right, we can all connect to it. And so when I was telling her, when you go home, feel into your space, how is your home speaking to you, how does your energy show up when you walk in the door, right, and so she was like, well, I never thought of it like that and I'm like, yeah, so when you get into your car, how does your car feel to you? How does your home feel to you? Are you invited when you walk in, or is this the repelling energy right, so you can tell? And, if so, go speak to your home and do the cleansing and clearings that need to happen. And, honestly, it's always coming back and balancing with yourself. So that's a lot of what I do. It is a lot of clearing with.

Speaker 3:

I love Florida water. Right now we use Florida water, but I'm really addicted to it and if you've never had Florida water, it's amazing and it just amplifies the space and the smells and senses. But I'm a burner. I love to sage and smudge and do all the things because to me it just feels like I just cleared everything so I can now do the work within myself. Sage and smudge and do all the things because to me it just feels like I just cleared everything so I can now do the work within myself.

Speaker 2:

It's always such good lessons, right? I think that's where you know I love the triad that we have because I can lean into the neuropsychology with Isabel and be like, okay, my nervous system is dysregulated, right, like I'm fully in my human suit, being fully triggered and talk me down, you know, talk to my inner child, talk to my subconscious, help me come into a state of I can do beating of the bones or I can stimulate my vagal nerve to like like, help me come in. Can I splash some cold water on my face and have this really human experience of I can witness I'm in dysregulation and I'm moving towards regulation. And once I'm in the regulation, how can I burn my candles and burn my sage and journal and energetically and emotionally process the things that are coming up? And to the point where now I'm leaning into what is the spirit world have to speak to me about this? Is that going for a walk and doing a walkabout or a vision quest, or is that going to look more like I'm lying down with an eye mask and doing some guided meditations, like I think there? I think that's where it really does come from what? Where's your energy at and what do you need? And knowing that as we take off those layers, those layers are things that have been, are not you you know what I mean Like I think this there's this really true core of it, where you're not broken.

Speaker 2:

We have conditionings or we have programs or we have traumas or we have whatever it is that have been kind of like what it feels like to me at this point. It's not so much those, those heavy bags that I'm carrying on my back, but sticky notes. You know like I I was really curious about my insecurities yesterday. I'm like, well, they're not really deep anymore, they're sticky notes. There are things that I can see and witness and pull off and sometimes after a while, if I'm not paying attention, the sticky note comes back and I'm like, fuck, there it is again. I have to pull it off, Right, you know, and I think that's a really good reminder of, like your core essence of who you are is perfect, it's brilliant, it's divine, right, and so we're not saying be be something that you're not. It's like recognizing that all of those things get, get stuck to you Isn't the essence of who you are. It's something there, because we have a shadow, we've had trauma, we've had a past, we all have it, you know.

Speaker 2:

And so this is kind of like Leonardo da Vinci, where you know, here we have. You know you're chiseling away at the stone to release what is not Michael right. And I love that metaphor of like the full rock. Full rock as it started, was not the, the, the, the Michael statue right. He had to chisel it away, everything that was not Michael right. And so it's coming into a leaning in. I think that's that's a big one, noticing where your energy is. Are you leaning away from and avoiding, or are you leaning in and getting curious where your energy is. Are you leaning away from and avoiding, or are you leaning in and getting curious? And it is in my nature to consistently lean in and get curious, almost to a fault. I will continuously lean in and lean in and leaning further, going. What here has a lesson for me? What here has a truth for me? What here has a curiosity that's here for me? How can I love myself even more as I lean into whatever is coming up?

Speaker 1:

And I think there's such an aspect to that as well of not waiting for someone else to give you permission to do it because you've seen somebody else do it first. You know what I mean. Like it's, it's this really interesting catch 22, because, like Chantel was saying, we show up the way that we do, in this authenticity and in the light and the shadow, so that other people feel the freedom to be able to do it, and, at the same time, something that I've been really trying to pull into my own subconscious that is very stubbornly not accepting it, but I'm working on it is like you don't need the permission, you don't need somebody who seems like they are farther along than you or more connected than you, or whatever it is to say, oh, I did that too and it's okay, or, look, I'm doing this now and so therefore, you can too. I follow a spiritual teacher who, nine times out of 10, I absolutely love what she has to say. I love her energy, I love the way she shows up, I love her content. She has a tendency, though, to have almost this feeling of like this is where I'm at in my consciousness journey, like in my journey of connecting with myself and connecting with spirit, and so, therefore, this is the stage, this is the next stage of consciousness that most people haven't reached yet, and so I'm walking the path ahead of you, and I get so pissed hearing that, because it's like, first of all, like the hubris right To assume that there's anything that any one of us could do that hasn't in some form or fashion been done before, that hasn't been experienced before, and to then make everyone who's not there feel like they're behind, like that, to me, is an immediate no, and I've really been leaning into the idea of the shaman's ladder lately, which is this idea that spirituality, our connection or whatever it is, it isn't a hierarchy, it's not like you're going up or getting better.

Speaker 1:

We talked about this in our Reclaiming the Sacred Self Masterclass, and I was like you don't get better, you get different. You never, no matter how much you heal, no matter how much you release, no matter how many limiting beliefs, you never get better, you get different. And the Shaman's Letter is this idea that it's a spiral. Right, it's all on the same plane, but it's a spiral. You're walking this spiral of life and you're going to come back around to ideas that you thought you healed from, or things that you've looked at before, but now you're looking at them from a slightly more expanded point of view, a slightly different point of view, and we're all on the same playing field. Yeah, we might be at different places in the spiral, but that doesn't mean that where I'm at in my journey is the next phase.

Speaker 1:

For somebody, if they haven't experienced that, it's like no, we need to take that idea off the table because it is harming the people in the spiritual and the shamanic communities. The idea that there is a stage, that there is a next step that you're supposed to get to, there's not. There's just you and your experience and how your consciousness wants to come through, so that, like Christine was saying I think you're referring to David like the stone gets pulled away so that the David statue remains, and it's like that core of you who I am as Isabel, who Christine is as Christine, who Chantel is as Chantel, who all of you are listening that core of you never changes. You're not going anywhere.

Speaker 1:

It's not like as you're healing, you're like soul retrieval aside, right, there are times when we call parts of ourselves home, but like that core of you is eternal.

Speaker 1:

It is always there and the work that we're doing is looking at how can I let that core shine through a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more. And if you think about it that way, there is absolutely no healing path or journey or three-step plan that could possibly work, because there is no one else who has had to figure out how to shine your core light out into the world and figure out what shades, what baggage, what rocks, what sticky notes need to come off so that that light can shine through. That is a purely unique experience of you. You are a purely unique consciousness and so, yeah, like shamanism might help and Reiki might help, and neuroscience and semantics might help, and candles and ceremony and working with the elements might help, but like there's never going to be another person who's going to do it the way you're doing it. So like we need to and I'm saying this to myself too like we need to stop looking for the person that's doing it ahead of us, because they're never going to.

Speaker 2:

I just can't agree more. Like I'm all fired up now because, like this was my experience in Japan, Like this is why I got angry, because there was this perspective of this hierarchy of you know, Reiki should be a practice to reach Satori, and I'm like that's bullshit. You're giving me a goal orientation for my spiritual life and I reject that. I reject that this needs to be a goal oriented experience. What if I was just experiencing life? To experience life, Because maybe I'm more like the tree and just want to be, not do but be, be who I am and shine with the light of who I am, exactly the way I'm meant to. And it doesn't need to look like this uh, everyone else's path. Like I just got so upset at the patriarchal notion that this is the only one true path with your Reiki is to have this goal orientation of Satori. I'm like who fucking cares? Been there, done that, Not. Like that's not why I'm here in this human suit, it's not.

Speaker 2:

It's like I want to experience the most ecstatic nature of my being as possible. I want to feel the bliss and I want to feel the pain. I want to feel all of what the human condition is, because, guess what? I chose to be a human. I don't want to escape my human nature of that right. How can I be all of my humanness, which means I get experienced all of the emotions? It's not like I get really frustrated with the, this idea of where there's a spiritual bypassing, of, okay, if you feel a heavy emotion, we're going to meditate out of it. I'm just like no, no, let me feel my hardships, Let me feel the darkness, Let me feel it so I can then process it and be in a different energy Like this. That whole thing just makes me so mad.

Speaker 3:

Feel that anger.

Speaker 2:

Like right, and I think that's where it comes back to like part of our stance here at moon rising shamanic Institute is that we want you to feel the range of emotions we want you to experience, knowing that whatever emotion that you have is valid. It's valid If you're having a human experience and you're feeling emotion. It's valid because it is, it is. And so where do we get to create a sanctuary so that you can fully express your nature of who you are and create a continuation, a continuum of community that can witness and observe without judgment, without trying to fix it. Right and I think that is so important in our containers is that we can validate and witness without trying to fix the problem, because you're not a problem. You can have your emotions and eat your fucking cake too. Like right, you know what I mean. Like you can, you can, and I think there's that's where we want you to be able to come into a guided meditation or come into a lesson on inner child work or come into a lesson on emotional release exercises, so that you can give yourself the permission. It doesn't need to necessarily come from us, but you can give yourself permission going.

Speaker 2:

Wow, I'm noticing the resistance of me doing this work.

Speaker 2:

I'm noticing my hesitancy, I'm noticing that this isn't what society has said, that I'm safe to do, and yet now I'm within a container and have a lesson that I can come home with and create the my sacred space and give myself as much time as I need to move through the process of the motion that I've been resisting within you, to create the space to have that process and then come to class or book a call with one of us or whatever it is that you need support around to go.

Speaker 2:

I did the damn thing. I felt the motions and guess what? Everyone else in class also felt the resistance, also felt the heaviness, also felt the depth of the motion, also felt that they could express and be and let those layers fall away and then do ceremony about how do we clear that out, how do we let it go all the way to the hearth? Because the earth can handle it, she can compost all of it, right? So if you're hanging onto stuff and it's like I'm going to bring it to the earth, because the earth can compost it, she can transmute it, she's has a large enough energy that will take it all, right, and that that is what is so sacred to me about moon rising and shamanic Institute is that we get to be in our fullness as humans in our space.

Speaker 1:

I think there's also this element to it for me of and I say for me because it's something that I try to bring forward in my own work that I love is mirrored in the work that we do in Moon Rising and the containers we create. Is this idea that you don't have to heal, you don't have to do it? I think there is, think there's this. There is so much pressure on us in our society right now to be better, to do better, to do more, to give more, to be more, to always be something different than who we are right now. Right, and I think that one of the questions that we always come back to in the work that we do and the courses that we teach and all of it is if you were already enough, if you were already worthy, if all of the work that you needed to do was already done, what would you do in this moment? Like, what feels curious to you, what lights you up, what do you want to explore? If you didn't have to do anything, what would you want to do and can you then allow the growth and the evolution and the peeling away of the layers and all of that to be kind of like this natural byproduct. You know what I mean, because as soon as we start trying to heal, as soon as we start trying to fix something, we're again reinforcing that belief that we're broken and it's like we're never going to get anywhere, like I really think that's why so many of us have gone through so many trainings and one-on-one sessions and self-help books and gotten to the end and been like, well, fuck, that didn't help me at all, because it's focused on the fact that there's something that needs to be fixed, that there's something that need to be more or less or better or different than you are right now. And we just said no, at the core of you, you are already enough, you are already worthy, you are already exactly who you were meant to be. And if we gave you and you gave yourself, the permission to show up in that, to show up in that knowledge of I am already enough, I am already who I came to this earth to be, what would then unfold?

Speaker 1:

Naturally, like if you started from that place of there's nothing to fix, you're not broken, you just get to get curious, you get to explore, you get to ask questions, you get to get lit up when you get triggered because you're like, oh, here's a new part of me I haven't seen before. Like the number of times we have students say that makes me so happy, because it's like that's the energy that we should be having, because there's nothing wrong with you if you're triggered, it's a new part of yourself that's crying out for attention. And if we can approach it from that perspective and bring in the tools like the shamanism or the inner child healing or the neuroscience or the ceremonies or working with the elements and the moon or whatever it is, and then you get to see those on the buffet table in front of you and say, knowing that I am already worthy, what is calling to me? What feels fun, what feels aligning, what feels awakening, what am I curious about? And you get to just go explore those fully Healing or aligning or peeling away the layers or whatever you want to call that, it happens naturally after that, because our inherent desire is to grow and evolve.

Speaker 1:

That's who we are.

Speaker 1:

We're always going to do that, and so if we stop forcing ourselves into it and instead invite ourselves into a container of look at all of the support, look at all of the tools, look at all of the possibilities. Can I allow my intuition to guide me to the one that's right for me in this moment, knowing that it might change a day, a month, five years down the line, right Again? That purpose is always going to change, it's always moving. But, like, can I let my intuition guide me to the one that's right for me in this moment, out of a place of curiosity and willingness to be open and change, rather than fear of what happens if I don't? That's where magic happens and that's what I love about our programs and the way that we show up on the podcast and our courses and all of it is. It's always from this place of, if we started with that foundation, how much more magical and beautiful and vibrant is your life going to be when your intuition lets you pick what's next for you out of love instead of fear?

Speaker 2:

Yes, I love it. I love it. I think this is why I really am excited to announce here's our big announcement, because I think this is the perfect timing is that we're offering Soul Rising, our four-month shamanic Reiki program, yet again this will be our fifth time to offer it under Moon Rising Shamanic Institute, under our beautiful videos and container and all of the things, and I'm just really excited because what we're talking about is exactly what the program was built for. Yeah, you're going to learn some foundational shamanic tools, but the true, authentic nature of the program is to help you be all of who you are, to not deny aspects of yourself, but to fully embrace all of who you are, to show up in a way that says yes to you and what feels good to you, and say yes to your curiosity and get interested in where your growth edge is and why do you act the way you do and why does that get triggered, the way it gets triggered and all of the things. And you get this beautiful, sacred container.

Speaker 2:

I'm not going to say safe, because safety implies that you will, but you might not. Maybe there's going to be a space where, wow, you do get triggered. And then we get curious about it and you get to come back again and again, again, into a sacred container of saying it's okay, it's okay that you're feeling big emotions, it's okay that you've cried three days and you're like I don't know why I'm crying, I'm just processing, I'm like great. Let's get curious about that too. Let's honor where you are right now and what does that mean for you? And so this is a deep, deep program. It's not um, it's not lightweight and it's not designed to be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's. It's this really beautiful blend of we've got the foundational piece in that you're going to learn how to shamanic journey and you're going to learn how to connect with each of the elements and you're going to learn how to find your power animal and your spirit guide and connect with your higher self in the middle world and be able to have not just like a theoretical relationship but an actual, tangible relationship with these really powerful allies in your spiritual journey, so that you can also connect with your intuition and hear that voice so clearly that our goal by the end of the program is that you know like you know, like you know that all of the answers you ever need are within you, right, and again, I think that goes back to what we were talking about earlier of it's never going to be about we have the answers and you don't. It's going to be about. Can we create a space where you now have the tools and the structures and the invitation and the safety to realize that those answers are already within you? And it is such an honor and such a joy to watch and walk with students through that process from day one, where they are feeling exactly how you're feeling now, as you're listening to this right, maybe a little overwhelmed, maybe stuck in your limiting beliefs, maybe feeling like all of the other programs or the books or all of it haven't worked. I've been there right To the end of the program, where they are just alive and vibrant and talking about how I was just editing all of our testimonials from the last round, and so I'm like filled with just their words of talking about how, like they never felt safe in their life before they joined this program or they never felt like they were able to fully show up, and now they feel like they've shed layers and layers and layers of trauma to be who they are fully Like it's. It is just such an incredible experience to get to witness that in our students.

Speaker 1:

And it's not because we have the answers, it's not because we say you know, if you do these five things, you're going to get better. Right, it's, it's none of that. It's we give you all of the tools we could possibly think of everything that the three of us have used in our own lives, in our own journeys, and have seen repeatedly help people over and over and over again in our one-on-one sessions, in our courses, and we put them all on the table, from shamanic work to inner child healing, to repatterning your subconscious, to cutting cords, to working in ceremony, to connecting with the elements, to all kinds of stuff. There's more than that, right. I think we cover more than 40 techniques, if I remember correctly. We cover more than 40 techniques in the course, not because you have to know them all, not because you have to love them all, but because when we give you a buffet of options and we provide it to you in this container that has been so thoroughly thought out and planned and cultivated by the three of us to really ensure that growth is going to happen again as a natural byproduct, not as a we're going to force you to grow, but as a.

Speaker 1:

If you step into this container and you just let yourself experience it, growth is going to happen, so that, by the end, not only do you have all of these tools, not only do you have that connection to your intuition, not only do you have this certification in knowing how to do Reiki level one and shamanic work and all of this, but you also feel like you've embodied all of that.

Speaker 1:

You have taken it in. It has changed you on a cellular, molecular level, so that the person that you leave the program is not the same as the person who comes in. Because you get to be so much more embodied and confident and connected to yourself, because you've given yourself the space to get curious and have all of the tools that you could possibly ever want at your disposal and the support of the three of us, plus your community, your co-students, to then say, great, how are you going to apply it in your daily life? How did it feel when you did that? What worked, what didn't? How can we help you, pull it even deeper so that you've got that self-driving passion to move you forward? But you've also got this container of other amazing souls, your co-students, and support from the three of us. So not just one of us, but all three of us helping to facilitate and hold that space for you. It is, it's, it's truly magical, I think.

Speaker 3:

It really is. Yeah, coming in as a former student years ago at this point, you know it really did. It created a foundation for me to be able to get curious with where I was, to allow me to move through my own sadness and grief and, you know, trauma, self and everything. And so now it's like I can take that and give the gratitude and everything that I've needed. And that is what shows up, because we're doing our work and we get to show up and say this is what I've learned, this is what we can offer, and we create that container for our students to be able to sit in their stuff, to fill in their stuff, to release and come to the table and say this is what I got going on, you know, and they do get to.

Speaker 3:

Everyone gets to communicate and collaborate and be like this works for me or that, or just, hey, I see you, I hear you, know that you're seen, know that you are heard, and that sometimes is all our students need as humans.

Speaker 3:

Know that you are heard and that sometimes is all our students need as humans. That's all we need sometimes is to say I hear you and I see you where you are, and that's enough to help people to feel empowered and to rise up and say I'm ready to take this on. I'm ready to take me on right, because we are big, complicated beings. We're not like little, simple things. We are big, complicated beings and I know for myself I always bring an edge to me. I just have an edge to me and that is like, yeah, be street smart, be spiritually smart, be human smart, be all of the things, because that is what we are and who we are, and I love that we have this platform to offer to people to show up just who they are, but then to be able to shine brighter at the end of it and they do leave completely different. People transform in our container, in our community, and I enjoy witnessing it and being a part of that.

Speaker 1:

And I want to pop in one thing here, because I have to say I absolutely adore having Chantel on the team, because she does get to say, as a former student, right, like, you work with us because you saw what our courses were when you joined, loved them so much that you wanted to contribute your own magic and make them even better.

Speaker 1:

And to me that is like I love having you on the team, because you're just such a constant reminder of the fact that, like, if we made that much magic back then when it was just Christine and I, and now it's the three of us, like it's just gotten better because you brought all of your like you were saying your gratitude and the healing and the experiences that you had because of how the program was then, and you've just made it better. You've brought your own magic, you've completed this little trio that we have, and so now it really does feel so much more solid because, like we've said this whole time, there's the three of us all complimenting each other, all filling in those gaps so that where one of us maybe isn't as strong, the other is, and so it just has uplifted everything and it's just such a joy to get to see that process happen.

Speaker 2:

Uplifted everything and it's just such a joy to get to see that process happen. Absolutely I love it, and I would love to quick run down some of my most frequently asked questions, because every time I get on a call, these are the things that people want to know. This is a four-month program Because of the holidays, it's really closer to five months because we take a week off for Thanksgiving and two weeks off for winter break over Christmas, and it's a time commitment. Like I said, this isn't like skimming the surface, this is a deep dive. So it's a three to four hour time commitment a week. The calls are two hours in length and the call schedule is developed on your availability, meaning we're going to send you a call survey to see when your availability is and then we create the call schedule from that, because I have a commitment to making sure that every single student can come on to at least one call a week. If you want to come to all of them, come to all of them, but we want you to absolutely make sure you're at least coming to one call a week to continue in that progress and progression of your studies. So there is four modules. Each module is based on a chakra, so we're going to move through the first four chakras, and each module has a personal development, spiritual development side of things as well as a shamanic training side of things, and the way the program is laid out is so that each week you see exactly where you're supposed to be, and it's got a variety of things in it to support you each and every week. It also we want to really ensure that everyone's educational learning processes are being supported. So, yes, we have workbooks that Isabel so beautifully designed because they're like 80 pages per module, and so you're really getting a companion workbook with every single module that you go through, so that there are journal prompts, there are things to consider, there is the lessons in the written format so that when you, if you're a book learner, you can watch the video and go and return to your book.

Speaker 2:

Now, we're not going to ask you to turn those in. Those are for your own individual use. We're not going to micromanage you. The more you put into this program, the more you're going to get out of it. So you're going to get weekly lesson videos, guided meditations, activating actions those are a lot of those techniques to help your support, your nervous system. Activating actions those are a lot of those techniques to help your support, your nervous system. There's going to be weekly calls. There's the module. At the end of every module, we will give you a reflection period of going. What did you learn? What are you still confused on what? How can we support you even more to make sure that you can move forward into the next module? So we're constantly checking in with you. We have weekly check-ins. And when we have these reflections, why? So? We continuously tweak our program and make it better and better and better. What am I missing, isabel?

Speaker 1:

I don't think anything other than the fact that we do offer really extended payment plans so that, again, we believe that healing, aligning, whatever you want to call it, should be accessible to everyone.

Speaker 1:

And so we have our pay in full option, we have a super extended payment plan option, and if you need something in between, we're going to work with you because we really believe that this work belongs to everybody and of course, we still have to, you know, make our livings from this work too, right?

Speaker 1:

So there is that energetic exchange and expectation, but I can also say that, given the content, given the amount of material, given everything that we pour into this program, it is very, very reasonably priced.

Speaker 1:

But I will say again, if the finances are a worry, for you know that we have that extended payment plan so that it can be accessible, because we want this to feel supportive to you, just like it's here to support us, and so we really have done our best from start to finish, whether it's, you know, like Christine was saying, and the fact that you can go through the course in written form or video form or whatever, to the fact that we hand make the call schedule to fit every student's schedule, to how mindful we've been about how we handle the financial side, like everything has been cultivated to fit all of our students perfectly, and we also really trust that the people who are meant to come into the program this round are going to come in.

Speaker 1:

And it amazes me, round after round after round, how Spirit just collects the perfect collection of students to come in. And so again, at the end of the day, this is our invitation to you of if your intuition is saying this is the next step, this is right for you, this is again when you come from love instead of fear. This is what's meant for you, then we're so excited to work with you and hold space for you, and I love too that like, yes, this is what's meant for you, then we are. We're so excited to work with you and hold space for you.

Speaker 2:

And I love to that like, yes, this is our first month four month program and we wait to see if you have a calling to go into the practitioner.

Speaker 2:

We wait and feel into if you have a call to go into advanced. So, yes, there, you could work with us for an entire year and and but we're we're giving you it available to you in chunks, right, because sometimes people need a break and you know what my one of my favorite things to see is. I will go pull up the the, our student cohort from a year ago and see that there are people still rewatching videos that day, that week, like it's something that you return to again and again and again going yeah, yeah, no, I need that. You return to again and again and again going yeah, yeah, no, I need to go back to that root chakra, guided meditation while I'm on the airplane, or whatever it may be. And so I see and I hear people return to it over and over and over again. It's not something that it's a one and done deal. It's like you get you remain having access to the material so it can help you throughout the years.

Speaker 3:

Yeah and I think that's an important thing is for people to realize that what they're investing in they get to keep and have. And you can continue throughout the years to still go back and watch those videos and have access to us, Even when we're no longer in group. You can still message us. Hey, what do you think about this? Right, and I love that that we're available to our students and it's not just oh, you graduated, Peace out.

Speaker 3:

No, it's, you still need us, we're here. You want to set up sessions with us? We're here. You just have a quick question, throw it out there. And it's like we're just so available to our community that I find that to be one of the biggest highlights of what we do here, Because all the other stuff is all amazing in itself and you're going to go and learn all this stuff, but the fact that you can have that support and really know that there's a safe space to go to and you're not just out there floundering in life like, oh, what am I doing? No, I can go right here and talk to one of us and say, what can I do? And we're going to give out those tidbits to help you to continue on your growth.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think to really pull it all together, we actually have a student in the comments right now who said that I know for me, the Soul Rising program really allowed me to embody the idea of not looking at feelings as good or bad, but as teachers and guides. When I get triggered now, I get curious instead of reactive. They show me where my shadows and limiting beliefs are and I'm able to lean into the tool to help me work through them and really process them, so that, I think, is again just such a beautiful example and such a humbling example for us of this is the work. This is why we do what we do. This is the container we've created, and it's not to sell you on something or say this is the way you need to do it or this is our five steps to feel better. It's our invitation of when we come to it in a place of love, when we really believe and go through the steps to believe because it's a process that we are enough and we are worthy, and when we have a buffet table of really structured support filled with 40 plus incredible tools and techniques that we've tried, that our students have tried, that are tried, tested and true right and you have the ability to let your intuition pick and guide you through it. It's magical and we are so, so excited to get started.

Speaker 1:

So we are in early bird pricing right now. Early bird will last until the end of August. So if you are interested in hopping on a call and learning more, or you're like, yes, I'm ready, let's do this. Early bird pricing is now available. Or you can hop on a call with us by the end of August and we'll hold early bird price for you. Regular price will start on September 1st and classes will officially start on September 21st. And again, that call schedule is gonna be tailored to your needs. So know that all of this is coming. We'll have the links in the chat for you to explore. We would love to hop on a call with you and support you and answer all of your questions and, of course, we would love to see you in the program, because we believe in it. Our students believe in it. We've seen it transform lives time and time again and I, for one, am really excited to get to start the process over again this September.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so the module calls start on September 21st. We have orientation, welcome calls and getting really orientated in the program starting on September 14th, and know that when you sign up, when you register, when you enroll, you get automatic access to the orientation materials, which is pretty extensive, as well as the Reiki level one training offered by our soul rising program. So super excited to get started, to dive full in with all of you and this is going to be amazing, yeah absolutely, and until next time, you guys.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much as always for listening, and may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Bye everyone. Bye everyone. Thanks for tuning in to today's show. The Wisdom Rising podcast is sponsored by Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, facebook, youtube and TikTok at Moon Rising Institute, or visit our website, moonrisinginstitutecom to learn more about our mission and find future opportunities to connect with our community of shamanic mystics. Once again, thank you for sharing space with us today, and until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.