Wisdom Rising
Shamanism, Reiki, Spirituality, Personal Development, and More. It’s time to re-member your Divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join Shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa as they guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week we dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy healing, and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom. Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners, we’re here to help you acknowledge, reconcile, and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising within. You can follow us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok at MoonRisingInstitute, or visit our website, moonrisinginstitute.com, to learn more about our mission and find future opportunities to connect with our community of Shamanic mystics.
Wisdom Rising
How to Reclaim Your Power: Breaking Free from Past Trauma
What if the stories you tell yourself are the very chains keeping you stuck? In this powerful episode, Christine and Isabel explore how past trauma shapes your identity, limits your potential, and disconnects you from your intuition — and how you can finally break free.
From a Shamanic perspective, your life is created by the stories you carry. When those stories are rooted in wounds, they act like invisible “hooks,” pulling you back into old patterns of fear, self-sabotage, and limitation. Even your healing journey can become a trap if it reinforces the belief that you’re still broken.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
🌿 How trauma creates limiting beliefs and energetic attachments
🌿 Why your mind can only project the past into the future — and how to break the cycle
🌿 The difference between wounds and scars (and how to fully integrate your healing)
🌿 Shamanic techniques for rewriting your story and reconnecting with your soul’s truth
🌿 Practical tools for future forecasting and stepping into your highest self
If you’ve been feeling stuck, replaying the same patterns, or wondering why your healing hasn’t “worked” yet — this conversation will help you shift from wounded identity to empowered being.
✨ Ready to reclaim your power and write a new story? Dive in now — and if you’re ready for deeper transformation, explore our Soul Rising program at https://moonrisinginstitute.com/soul-rising/
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It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine René, isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy, healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome, welcome back to another amazing episode here on the Wisdom Rising podcast. I'm your host for today, isabel Wells, and I have to say this episode is good. Today, christine and I are diving into self-worth identity and moving past trauma, because healing isn't just about letting go of the past. It's about writing the stories you want to live by in the future. So in today's conversation, christina and I are diving into the psychology of trauma and the stories that we tell ourselves, how our identity changes, the way that we show up in the world, why we need to know how to connect with our soul and our intuition to create the life we want, because our mind is actually just keeping us stuck in the past, why holding on to trauma as an identity can actually be so detrimental for your healing journey, and the importance of being able to cast out your desires in the future so you know how you want to live your life in the present. What we're really talking about today is how to look at the energies, the stories, the beliefs that are shackling us to the past, that are holding us back in our subconscious in ways that we don't even realize, and how, when we become aware of those and aware of the weight, aware of how the energy is moving in our life, we can make choices for calling in the life that we really want. We can change our identity, change our perception of our self-worth, change our lives by allowing ourselves to fully arrive in the present, recalling all of our energy from the past, so that we can look to the future and start making the choices, moving the energy, having the beliefs and taking the action that's going to create the life that we want to be living.
Speaker 1:This episode is a juicy one, so I cannot wait to dive in with you, but before we do, just a few updates about our community events coming up. If you're listening to this live the week that it airs, know that we have a free inner child healing webinar happening on Thursday, september 11th, at 5 pm Mountain Time, 7 pm Eastern Time. Christina and I are going to be diving deep into inner child healing, looking at the wounded inner child versus the healed inner child and sharing some of our favorite tools and techniques to build a healthy relationship and start that healing process completely for free. And then on Tuesday, september 16th, at 5 pm Mountain Time, 7 pm Eastern Time, chantel and I are going to be hosting a guided shamanic journey through the lower four chakras and sharing about why these lower four chakras are so important. Next week's podcast, chantel and I will dive into spiritual archetypes and the chakras and touch on these lower four. So if you're interested in learning a bit more about what that guided shamanic journey webinar will look like, be sure to tune in to next week's podcast episode.
Speaker 1:And, of course, don't forget to register for both of these incredible free events the inner child healing on Thursday night, the 11th, and the guided shamanic journey event on Tuesday night, the 16th. If you register, you'll be able to join us live and participate in the huge giveaways that we have planned, but you'll also get access to the recording. And, of course, don't forget to join us over in our Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics Facebook group so that you can have a community, have a sisterhood, have a group of people who are walking this journey right along with you and asking questions and sharing inspiration and basking in the energy and evolving and connecting together, because that ability to connect is part of what makes us human and part of what makes life worth living. So be sure to join us over in that Facebook group. And, of course, don't forget to head over to our YouTube channel if you want to see the video companion to today's podcast episode YouTube channel if you want to see the video companion to today's podcast episode. And before we dive in to this episode, be sure to subscribe to the podcast and share it with someone you know, because that's how we're going to reach even more spiritual seekers, just like you.
Speaker 1:Today's episode is fantastic and at the end you'll hear us share a last chance call for our Soul Rising Shamanic Reiki course. You've heard us talk about it on the show before, but this is a four-month program to really dive deep into the shamanic path, to learn about the chakras, to learn about personal development, to learn how to shamanic journey, so you can meet your spirit guide, your power animal, your higher self. You can connect with your intuition and use your spiritual gifts, all while doing the inner child, healing, balancing your chakras and your energy, working through your limiting beliefs, diving into shadow work in a gentle and effective way. It really is a well-rounded heals on every level kind of course, and you'll hear us share more about it at the end, but I just want to say here enrollment is only open until September 15th. So if you are interested, now is the time to click the link in the show notes to book a free call with us to learn about the course and to take the leap, because we start in just one week and I am so excited to dive in. So be sure to check out all of the links in the show notes while you listen and, without further ado, let's dive in to today's episode, and I actually would love to just have us take a few deep breaths before we dive in this morning.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling like my energy is kind of all over the place this morning, so I'm feeling like three deep breaths to come back is a great way to start off. What do you think, christine? Absolutely Beautiful. So just taking a moment, everybody, just closing your eyes, settling into your chair. Nice, big, deep breaths to start. Let your shoulders fall away from your ears, unclench your jaw, relax the muscles in your face, relax your eyebrows. Just notice where you're at this morning.
Speaker 1:Take a moment to fully arrive into the present, maybe putting a hand on your heart, just feeling your heart center, feeling yourself arrive as we take three deep breaths, calling back your energy as you inhale, rele, releasing what's ready to be released as you exhale. And again, deep breath, in calling back your energy, exhale, releasing One more, letting it out with this eye, maybe giving your body a nice little shake, little wiggle, taking any last movements or breaths that you need to open up your eyes. Come back into the present, into the conversation. Open up your eyes, come back into the present, into the conversation, feeling a little more centered and grounded. Now I always like to say never underestimate the power of three deep breaths. Sometimes it's always a need to go from stressed to connected.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and with that, welcome, welcome. Welcome to yet another beautiful conversation. Join with Isabel Wells. We're breathing, we're centering as we move into this conversation on self-worth, identity and moving past trauma, so I really love that. Thank you so much, isabel, for guiding us through some nice deep breathing.
Speaker 2:I always feel like this is one of my core, foundational, activating actions. Right, coming back to breath is huge for so many of us of how do we feel grounded, how do we feel safe, how do we feel in our bodies is to take those nice deep breaths. So thank you so much for guiding us in that and knowing that we've got this really beautiful conversation ahead of us. So thanks everyone for being here, for listening, for taking the time out of your day to really reflect, because this conversation is all about really that internal introspection, right Of like where am I being attached to certain identities? Where's my self worth at? How am I being attached to my past trauma or am I really creating new possibilities with ideas for my future and my future self, and who do I want to be and who do I want to embody and who do I want to become, and knowing that being in the present moment, that's where the beauty arrives. So welcome, welcome, welcome everyone.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I love today's topic because it's something that we talk about again and again with our Soul Rising students of understanding that the way that you perceive yourself and the world around you and the choices that you make, that the way that you perceive yourself and the world around you and the choices that you make and the actions that you take, and all of it comes from the stories that you're telling yourself. Right, this is core shamanic work. Right here is understanding that our lives are the product of the stories that we tell ourselves, the beliefs that we have. And something that I've said again and again on the show that I think I just keep bringing up to kind of drive it home is we always think of the shamans as like the medicine people. Right, they're going to go find the herb, they're going to do the journey, they're going to do a soul retrieval to help you heal. But really their core work was being the truth keepers of their tribe. They were kept in isolation, kept away from the other people most of the time, because they were the keepers of what they would have called the original instructions. But essentially they understood that cultures, societies, our lives, are built on the stories that we're telling ourselves. And when those stories stray away from the truth or they become limited or fractured in some way, we start to fractured or fragmented in some way and what can I do to restore them to wholeness? And I think that way of looking at it really mirrors what a lot of people perceive as their healing journey is recognizing the parts of themselves that feel broken or feel fractured in some way and finding a way to come back home to themselves. But this is I love that this is coming up right at the beginning, because this is also something that we've kind of brought up a couple times on the show now but it's that idea of how even the story of healing can hold you back. You know, like there are times where absolutely, you're doing the deep work, you have a wound come up, you're healing a trauma and you are absolutely healing.
Speaker 1:But what we're looking at in today's conversation especially is when you hold on to stories for a little bit too long, when you've kind of held on to them past their sell-by date, right, and I think healing is a story that so many of us hold on to for far longer than may necessarily be useful. Healing's never done right, it's never like you're just one day going to be healed. It's a continuous journey, it's a spiral. That's why we talk about the shaman's ladder, that big spiral of consciousness and healing. It's never done.
Speaker 1:But when you hold on to it for years and years and years, what you're really holding on to, when you keep saying, well, I'm healing, or I'm on my healing journey, or this is the focus of my life right now, is healing, what you're really saying on a subconscious level is I'm not healed yet, I'm still not enough, I'm still broken in some way, I'm still fractured in some way.
Speaker 1:And so by holding on to this story of I need to heal X, y, z, we're also holding on to the story that we're in some way not enough, we're in some way insufficient, we're in some way still flawed. And I think that that very fundamental understanding really opens up for everything else that we're going to talk about today, because it's that moment where you can kind of sit back and realize what's the story underneath the story that I'm telling. You know, because on the surface, saying I'm working on healing is a beautiful thing, right? That's like a really noble thing to be doing. Having self-awareness, healing your wounds, working to get better, that's a fantastic goal, but when you're holding onto it and it becomes your identity, what you're really saying is no matter what all of this stuff that you've done in the past, you're still not enough, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's where it comes down to that identity level, right, like, am I broken? Like what do you put at the end of I am right, and so there's so much to this. There's so much to this, and what I see oftentimes in shamanic sessions is that I am unhooking people from their past identities, right, like, I see their back as like little, like a tag board, and all of these threads are like hooked in and pulling them into the past, right, and so oftentimes I'm like, all right, we're going to unhook this limiting belief and we're unhooking this story and we're on, because it's literally energetically holding you back, it's holding you into your past, and so how can you possibly move forward into the full expansion of who you are, into your full alignment of who you could be if you were attached to those things that happened in your past? Right, and so, even though your trauma may be significant, even though things might have not gone the way you ideally wanted them to go, and the regrets that we have, right, like, all of those are stories, and when our focus is on them aka you have hooks in your back pulling you into the past how can you possibly move forward quickly, right, and so there's this idea of having the self-awareness, having the recognition of oh, I can see how that, what I'm telling myself, is actually holding me in place, holding me still. And so you know we see this in clients and students where they're just want to go slow or they want to, they don't want to release that, they're so attached, they're so very attached to what has happened to them, their victimhood mode, that it's really hard and difficult to see what's even possible in the future. And those are the clients and students that really take some nurturing to give them space, create space for them to feel safe and going. I can let that down now. I can let that identity fall away. Now it's okay for me to think about what the future could possibly hold for me. And that's a huge, huge step.
Speaker 2:Because that victimhood mode is the way our society is kind of built on right and like keeping that in mind, like our society wants victims because they're easier to manipulate, they're easier to control, they're easier to, you know, sell products to right. If you think that you're ugly, it's so much easier to send you like sell you cosmetics or plastic surgery or whatever it is right. And so we have this cultural conditioning to keep us feeling low because it's easier for us to be manipulated as consumers. Like keep that in mind and to break out of the freaking box of what the past was and saying I am beautiful just for who I am. I am divine because I am. It's my inherent birthright to be exactly who I am. Everything from my past we're learning lessons and I can say I've learned them. Check and done, let's move on. It was really interesting.
Speaker 2:So my son came home recently and I remember talking to him. I was like why is your dad? He like his dad was calling me and I'm like you're 18. I no longer have any obligation to co-parent. You know I no longer need to be in relationship with this man in any capacity for the most part, right, like unless you are dying. Like I don't need to be involved in your relationship with your father. Right, like that was me saying I am done, I'm checked the thing off my list. No longer am I available for any kind of future trauma, any future manipulation, whatever it is. Like I am, I am checked off the list, no longer available, right, and so it's.
Speaker 2:And having that awareness of like I have a choice, like I think that's huge and we can't have the self-identity of like. This person created a lot of trauma for me. This person created conditions in my life that I couldn't escape and emotionally manipulated me for years. Right, and to be able to like, I have a choice. I had a choice when my son turned 16 and he was like I'm like, you can decide, the courts are going to let you decide, so I'm no longer playing this game right, like, I'm constantly like you are now 18. I no longer need to be playing the game right and so I can see that I have a choice and that's so huge and we can step back and go wow, these are the hooks that are pulling me to my past. And am I available for that? My past, and am I available for that? Do I want to be available for the reconditioning of the past, trauma again and again, and again and again and reliving it, or am I just done now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's such an important way of looking at it, because realizing at the very baseline that we have a choice in the stories that we tell ourselves, we have a choice in the things we believe, is huge, because so many of us kind of walk around feeling almost like beholden to our minds. We feel like this is just the way I am, these are just the stories that I'm telling myself, these are just the anxieties that I have, or this is just the outcome of my trauma, or et cetera, et cetera. Right, and when we feel that way, we really have this opportunity to look at and say is it just how I am and how I'm always going to be, or is it just how I am right now and I can choose differently. And that doesn't mean that it's going to be an instantaneous thing. It's been really interesting because, as I'm coming back from Alaska, my husband and I are contemplating moving up there next year and that's a huge. It's a huge change for both of us and he's got a lot of past trauma around moving. He had some really traumatic things happen when he was in his younger years and I've got a lot of past stuff with relationships and what happens when you really change your life like that in a relationship, and the trajectory that that causes the relationship to go down.
Speaker 1:And it's been fascinating for both of us being able to sit there and, as we're having these conversations, notice that, like for me last night, I just had to sit down and cry for like 10 minutes because I was like we're going to move and you're going to start hating me and we're going to be so stressed and it's all going to go downhill and this is where it's all going to fall apart and maybe we just shouldn't move at all. And it was like my brain needed those five minutes of freaking out so that I could then take a breath and go. Okay, I can recognize that the version of me that's talking right now is the version of me from the past and she does not have to be the one that's walking into my future. So I can acknowledge her, I can witness what she was feeling. I can untie that tie, like Christine's talking about. I can let that go and I can think about what do I want to happen instead, knowing that I have a choice, knowing that I'm an adult now, knowing that my future is a major part, the product of the choices that I'm about to make and the way that I'm going to show up and the words that I'm going to use and how vulnerable I'm allowing myself to be and the chances that I'm allowing myself to take. What do I want to step into the future as? Because it's not this fear I don't want to bring this fear with me. I want to find a way to release it and move forward, knowing that, like you're saying, if we're still tied to that like if I did not realize that I had a choice in that, if I didn't realize that I could choose to believe something else, I would be walking forward absolutely terrified and still holding on to that. And that doesn't mean that my body is not still having those reactions. It doesn't mean that I'm not going to have days where I do feel scared about it or I have another limiting belief come up. The difference is that, when it comes up, instead of attaching to it, instead of identifying with it, instead of saying, well, this is just how it is because of my past, I can say this is how it has been, but it doesn't have to be how it's going to be. It doesn't have to be how it's going to stay.
Speaker 1:And that one, I think, is such an interesting turning point and I see it in our students and clients all the time because, like you're saying, we have a society right now that is built on the I deserve X, y, z because I have been through PDQ. Like I deserve to rest because I worked hard all day. I deserve to spend money and buy myself a little treat because I did good and I put stuff in savings and I worked really hard to do that. Or I deserve to, you know, have an easy life as an adult because I had a sucky life as a kid, right, like how often do we tell ourselves these stories of because I went through fill in the blank with this difficult thing that we went through. I have earned the right to rest and I think that that fundamental belief that we are kind of just born into in modern culture of we have to earn the right to exist, the right to take up space, the right to rest, the right to self-nourishment, the right to live our own lives without feeling guilty, we have to earn it. And how do you earn something? You earn something by working hard, you earn something by struggling, you earn something by going through difficult times and coming out the other side.
Speaker 1:But if we're holding onto that belief system that these things have to be earned, even if it's subconscious, we're constantly going to be pushing ourselves back to well, I can't let go of the trauma. I can't let go of the past experiences. I can't, you know, forget, quote, unquote I can't release the fact that I had a difficult childhood or I had this experience, or that I had to work harder, whatever it was. When we're holding on to that, we feel like we can't let it go, because as soon as we let it go, we feel like, well, now I don't deserve this thing, because if I'm not attached to the fact that I struggled, if I'm not attached to the fact that my life was hard, then I don't deserve to rest, I haven't earned the right to take up space to be nourished, to whatever it is. And so it becomes this really kind of dangerous seesaw where resting in the middle of that is this idea that we don't deserve or we aren't worthy of receiving, unless we have somehow been wounded or struggled or whatever it is. And that, I think, is really part of what's at the core of why so many people myself included, sometimes right. We're human. This is a human instinct Because, on the flip side of it, our minds are always trying to keep us safe, you know.
Speaker 1:And so when we're talking about, well, you have a choice to choose how you want your future to look. That choice cannot come from your mind, and the reason for that is because your mind is just a data processor. That's all it is. Your mind is just storing all of your past experiences so that it can project it into the future and try and control it, so that it can say, okay, well, we made these choices in the past or we saw these people make these choices in the past. So if we just don't make those choices, then maybe we can avoid the outcome that we want to avoid. And on the flip side of that, you mentioned regret. Regret is really just anxiety about the past. It's just your mind trying to control the past of saying, well, shit, I wish I hadn't made that choice. I'm going to make sure I don't make it in the future. It's all just ways that our mind is trying to hold on to control. And because of that, if we are so up here and we're trying to make all of our choices from up here.
Speaker 1:The ability to step beyond the stories, the ability to let go of the trauma or unhook that hook from our past or whatever it is, it cannot come from the mind, because the only capacity that our mind has is to look at the past and project it into the future. That's all the mind can do. It's not doing it because it's bad or because you're bad or because you're broken. It's just doing it because it's trying to help you, but it literally cannot imagine a future that it hasn't seen. That ability comes from your soul, that comes from your intuition, that comes from your spirit, that comes from whatever you want to call.
Speaker 1:That deeper part of you and I think that is where so many people also get stuck is we feel like well, I need to stop having these anxieties, or I need to stop having these stories, or I need to stop feeling like you know, I had this trauma in the past. And it's like your mind is never going to feel that way until you give it evidence to the contrary. And it's not going to get evidence to the contrary if you keep listening up here. You have to go in. You have to go connect with spirit, connect with nature, connect with your intuition, connect with something else that exists outside of that story, so that you can start making the choices of saying, like I was saying with this move of that is how it's been in the past. That is the evidence that my mind has.
Speaker 1:I'm not discounting that, I'm not saying that. Well, you know that's just a false story. No, I have that story for a reason. I'm telling that story because it's a past experience. But just because that was the past doesn't mean that it has to be the future. And that awareness and that shift of even just being willing to acknowledge that and recognizing that it has to come from beyond our minds, because we just have to give it more information, we have to give it more evidence of look, yeah, that was one past. But here's another person who didn't have that experience and is now living the life I want. Here's, you know, an example of how things did work out in my life and it was okay when I made this choice, you know and starting to make those little shifts. But it all starts with recognizing that we do have that choice.
Speaker 2:Exactly Right. And so it's kind of like, energetically speaking, if you have got energetic attachments so that's what those hooks are Like you can think of them as like fishing lines. They're hooked in and you can start recognizing wow, that story has got me hooked, it's got me attached, right. Do I still want to continue playing the story? Am I ready to like let it go and recognize it? Okay, I'm bringing it from my subconscious into my conscious mind, right? And once it's in my conscious mind now I'm responsible for it. I'm responsible for its healing. I can see how it's manipulated my energy to keep replaying the same story. That's where the self-sabotaging behaviors come in, right? But now that it's in the conscious realm, we can start making different choices to combat that storyline. So that's what Isabel is saying is like okay, I'm going to make a new choice, make a new story and have new proof to teach my subconscious wow, it actually is safe to make a new storyboard, right. And the way we do that is we send out energetic hooks into the future, into our envisioning process. So it's like you taking your fishing pole and be like I'm now in control. I'm gonna cast my line forward into the future and pull forward the identity, the reality, my hopes and dreams, my vision forward into my life, right. And so this is why future forecasting is so important, because one it kind of forces you into this place of recognizing I am responsible and I'm worthy and I am divine, and I just am because I am, I'm human, which makes my inherent right divine, because I chose to come in in this body, into this space, in this timeline, for reason and purpose. And I'm here now, and so I'm going to say yes to the fullness of my experience. And in that, having that choice, I'm creating my reality, I'm creating my future, and so it is taking the time to going. What is it that I actually want?
Speaker 2:And so often, if we have all those hooks of the past in our back, we don't feel worthy and deserving to cast into the future. They don't even know what they want. They're so tangled up in all of those fish wires, right, that they're bound. They're bound and gagged into their past, right. And so how do we cut through that? How do we start making a choice of going? I am worthy to step forward and say you know what? I want? To fucking eat cake for dinner, because I want to, or whatever it is, like it could be baby steps versus like I'm going to envision having the life of my dreams and I'm going to state it every single day for the next 60 days.
Speaker 2:You know, like there is ways to do that too.
Speaker 2:Like how do we re-script our subconscious mind right so we can look at when our brain is more apt to accept new visions, new future realities of being penetrated into our mind space?
Speaker 2:So we look at, like those places and spaces right when we wake up, those places and spaces right before we fall asleep. Those are when our brain is in the state of wave that's ready to accept things into the subconscious field in a really healthy way. And so you can you can make a voice memo of like I am Christine, renee and I envision my future as and it's happening now. So I am now a successful business woman who has two healthy, happy children, who's always coming to me for healthy emotional support and, like I'm making this up as I go, my community is always there to support me and I absolutely love cooking in the kitchen and everyone shows up and raves about how good my food is. Like whatever your reality, what you want your reality to be, I am now on 100 podcasts a year. Whatever it may be, you can start giving yourself a new script of what you want your reality to look like.
Speaker 1:I love that you are talking about that, because I've actually been doing this with the Move and I was going to bring it up, and I love that you did because it is such a potent question. I actually asked this in our Facebook group the other day because it's like how often are you actually imagining the outcome that you want to have, instead of the worst case scenario? You know, I feel like it's this step that so often we don't take, like we do the work to be aware of the story, we do the work to notice that, oh okay, I'm thinking of the worst case scenario. Or oh okay, I'm feeling anxious right now, I'm gonna take my deep breaths, I'm gonna go outside, I'm gonna do my grounding, I'm gonna do a shamanic journey, I'm gonna do something to help myself through the anxiety. But we never tell our brain what if we imagined this instead? What if, instead of that negative outcome, it was this positive one? And what that's doing in your brain anytime you experience like a negative thought.
Speaker 1:For example, one of my brain's favorite chew toys that I have with this move right now is what if we don't have enough money? Like what if financially it's not going to be okay and my brain will go down this rabbit hole and I can go do the journey, I can go take some deep breaths, I can remind myself of times that it's worked out. But what that's doing to my brain, if I don't circle back around and say, and let's envision what our bank account would look like with more than enough money in it, let's envision what it would feel like to have the capacity to hold that much income, let's envision the life that I want to have with that money, if I'm not doing that step, what's registering in my brain is I had a scary thought about the future and now I'm doing something to avoid thinking about it. So, even though we're helping our nervous system, even though we're helping our energy by taking the deep breaths, doing the journey, the brain is saying, oh, we are still afraid of this outcome and therefore we're giving it more weight. Therefore, it actually is something that we still need to be afraid of, whereas if we're able to look at it and say, okay, I see that fear, I'm going to take some deep breaths to help myself calm down, get into a better state. And now I'm going to think about what's the better outcome, what's the best outcome, what would I love to experience. How am I going to feel when I'm experiencing that?
Speaker 1:And, like Christine said, bonus points if you're doing this right when you wake up or right before you go to sleep, or both, so that you're now telling your brain not only is that not a scary outcome, but this is the one we're expecting instead. See how much better this one is, see how much safer it feels over here, like this is what we want. And then you're completing that cycle for your brain, so your brain can kind of turn off that little red flag that it has about oh my God, what if we don't have enough money, because it's like, oh no, we could have enough money, we would be okay, we could hold that much income. I know how we'd feel if we did that. And now it sees a different potential and we're not just cutting it off and saying, oh, not going to look at it Well, and on top of that, then you're inspired to take the action.
Speaker 2:Right, I think that's like huge when you can see if I'm going to self-identify as a successful businesswoman, for example, then you're going to start taking the actions to make that a reality. Because you can see it, now I'm motivated and I'm going to embody what it feels like on the day-to-day, in the present moment. I am a successful businesswoman, so I do lives and I do podcasts and I write the emails and I check in with people and I network and I go to the things, the social events, so that I can talk about my business and where I'm going with it. And you know, whatever it is like, you embody the future, envisioning that. You see, and then it becomes your reality, right, and I think this is why I love putting it in the shamanic context. Right, like I love looking at this. Like, where am I placing my energy? Where is the energetic that I'm throwing out? Right, so, whether it's okay now I'm not paying attention to all of those hooks that were in me, I'm healing those scabs, those scar marks on my back of where those paths were, because I'm not giving it as much attention as I used to, right, like you can recognize, ooh, that there's a poke there, but it's not. Like it gets easier and easier and easier the more we can go and I'm focusing on the future, and I'm focusing on the future, and I'm focusing on the future and then one day you recognize that you can just be fully in the present, that you can be taking your deep breaths, fully embodied in the emotional, and trusting the divine is going to lay out everything as it should, right? So this is the biggest difference I see in like traditional talk therapy and what we do as soul rising right, like talk therapy often, is focusing on your past trauma.
Speaker 2:It does step one, but it misses out a lot on step two, which is where a lot of spiritual coaches come into play, which we include in Phil Rising right, we want you to have this future projection of what you want your reality look like. We want to cast out into the future, right, and pull that forward into your reality and then be able to be at peace with how it unfolds. So you are letting go of even attachment to the future at some point because you can trust that I am divine, I am worthy, I can have it all. Everything is showing up in divine timing. I like all of these things and like now I'm just present, right, so you're working it all the way through. But like, step one yeah, let's look at our past, bring it from the subconscious to the conscious. Step two Okay, now we're going to project into the future, cast our energetic lines out there, pull it forward, really change our self-identity script. It's re-scripting, it's recoding who we are fundamentally in our mind space to be able to be now fully present and that's and that unfoldment feels just incredibly powerful.
Speaker 2:So, if you are just know, like if you're listening to the recording we're on live in our in our Facebook group right now, and we have one of our past students says you guys are better than having therapy because you break down stuff and in my life and give me tools and I love all the courses you offer and I this is it Like I I love therapy. I think like I love that, the courses you offer and I this is this is it Like I I love therapy. I think like I love that mental health is so well accepted and that we have these resources available and most areas now that you can get a therapist and know that that is like such a huge part of step one. That step one is also so covered in our soul rising program. The way we move through into childhood wounds and where are wounds, where are traumas, where are those things showing up and really being practitioners like as our moderators, as the facilitators, as the teachers, as the mentors, being trauma informed, to be able to hold space for that and really give people the tools and techniques to be able to move through, is huge and I just love that there, that that we can move through the whole process and I just, you know, I think about students in the past where you know they especially in the money scarcity stuff, right, like we've had students come in where they were like I have no idea what I'm doing, I have no idea how I'm going to pay for this, I don't know how the time is going to work out, like I don't know, but the calling is there, the calling is there and so they show up and we're like we're going to trust the process, we're going to work through the limiting beliefs around money scarcity.
Speaker 2:We're going to do the things and watch these students who really had no idea how they were going to pull it off. People not only pay off the program within six or seven months, but then also turn around and start building their businesses and start wiping out debt and start like. Seeing those huge shifts in people's life time and time again has just been inspiring, and I think that's why I get so excited about this work is because you really are learning the tools to change your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And you know, I love that you're talking about that process of moving through it, because part of why I think we get so excited about helping our students do this is because we've done it ourselves. We know what it feels like to be in each phase of the work, knowing that we're probably going to be cycling through all three phases for as long as we're alive, because being alive isn't, you know, a walk in the park. Right, it's not like we're going to magically find all the tools and one day it's never going to be hard again or we're never going to struggle again, right? That's not the point. We don't, right like we don't come to spirituality, we don't come to healing, we don't come to personal development, whatever you want to call it so that we can, you know, finally be done. We come to this work so that we can experience that magic of being alive a little more deeply and help make those hard moments a little easier, a little more deeply. And help make those hard moments a little easier, a little more in flow, a little more grounded, right? I was watching a TV show the other day and there was a not to tie this back to religion but there was a priest who was talking and he said do you not find that God helps you feel stable even in the most chaotic of times? Right, and I think that if we take the word God out of that right and we just talk about that connection to ourselves, that connection to the divine, that connection to nature, this is why we do the work, so that even in the hard times, we can be connected, we can be stable, we can be strong, we can rest on that foundation of knowing I am supported and I am okay and it is going to work out for me and whatever that mantra is for you. And I think, when we're talking about moving through those phases, one of the questions that comes up for me and for clients and students again and again is are you holding onto the wound or are you letting it turn into a scar? Like we're not asking you to erase your scars, we're not asking you to erase your past. You are who you are today because of your past experiences. But the question is are you holding onto that whole of what you experienced or are you letting it become a scar? Are you letting it become a oh yeah, one time versus? I am still, you know, and I think about this a lot in my own history.
Speaker 1:One of the things that comes to mind with moving through this and the scar versus the wound is I remember when I was really deep in my chronic health issues and I had just had to stop dancing. I had been dancing for like 18 plus years. It was my entire life. My body started falling apart and I had to stop and I remember it was like a year or two I believe it was a year or two after I had stopped dancing and I was still just. I was so broken, I felt broken. I wasn't dancing and I was still just. I was so broken. I felt broken, I wasn't broken, but I felt broken.
Speaker 1:I felt so empty and so lost and I was so stuck in this like anger and frustration and grief and just absolute, like hatred of life for like, how, like, why, what is the point of living if I had to lose this thing right? I was so stuck in the wound of it and I remember sitting with my mom in a grocery store parking lot and she was like Isabel, you have to let yourself feel it and recognize that nothing is ever going to fill that hole. You can't keep the hole open, hoping that something's going to fill its place. It's never going to. You have to let yourself feel it so that it can heal, so that you can find what's next, so that you can find the new thing that's going to happen. But if you're so busy holding onto this hole and looking in it, you're never going to be able to see what's happening outside of it. And that advice completely shifted the trajectory of the rest of my life, but especially of that healing moment, because it really was.
Speaker 1:I had spent two years looking at I'm so sick and nothing's helping and I had to give up dancing and it's not even getting better, and now I'm depressed and now I'm broken and now I'm all of these things. I did that for two years, but what I didn't do was let myself grieve. I didn't let myself cry, I didn't let myself recognize. That was really fucking hard and I hate that I had to go through it. But I'm still here. I still have things to do. There's still something beyond this hole that I'm just spending my life looking down, waiting for it to fill itself back up. And it's not going to until we let ourselves feel the feelings grieve.
Speaker 1:The things go through the process of healing, but then recognize that that wound has to become a scar before we're going to be able to move forward in our life, like that hole has to be filled with healthy tissue, albeit scar tissue right, that's never going to not hurt, right? Those memories of the difficult things we go through, that's never going to not be difficult to look at, you know. But it can become this thing where we recognize that is what allowed me to get to this next thing, it's what allowed me to move forward. But I couldn't move forward to finding Reiki, to being part of Reiki Cafe, to starting Moon Rising, to teaching the way I do today, to being married, to any of these things, until I let go of holding on so tightly to this wound. And that it's so funny because I had.
Speaker 1:I had a student tell me about a month ago that they didn't feel like I could hold space for their shadow because I was so light Like they. They didn't feel like I had had enough of a traumatic experience to be able to hold space for theirs. And I have to say I took it as such a compliment because I looked at that and it was like, yeah, like that is what I want for our students. I want our students to be able to have processed and moved through their trauma so deeply that they don't feel like they have to carry it around with them anymore. I want them to feel like it can become a story in their past, just like all of the other stories. It doesn't have to necessarily be more painful or bigger or more shadowy or this thing that weighs them down for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1:You guys have heard my story. I have abuse and illness and parental divorce and addiction and I have terrible things in my past. But I don't think about it that way. You know, when I think about my past, what I think about now is all of the amazing experiences I had while I was dancing, and I think about all of the strength that that younger version of me had and I think about all of the amazing ways that I found to express myself in the midst of that and I think about all of the tools that I gathered to help myself get through those moments. But I don't think about how broken I was or how difficult that was or how much trauma I had. I really don't think about it that much Like.
Speaker 1:If you asked me, I wouldn't say that I've had a traumatic life, not because I haven't had difficult things, but because I know that there is power in being able to say that is just a past experience. Like all of the other past experiences, and like all of them, whether I at the time called them good or bad or neutral, they all contributed to who I am today and who I am becoming. I need to stop looking down that hole so that I can look up and see all of the possibilities that are existing beyond those stories. You know, and it's like if all of our students had that takeaway of like I feel so light and free from that past that it's like I never even had that trauma, that would be incredible. And I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier of this story that we have, that we have to hold on to that identity of being a survivor or having gotten through this trauma, and there is such power in those identities when you need them. I am not saying that there is.
Speaker 1:I have definitely, at times in my life, identified as a survivor, but there were also times where I recognized that that label was then holding me back. It was still keeping me attached to the past and in order to make room for something new that was an identity, that was a weight, that was an energetic cord like Christine's saying that I had to let go of. You know, and I think that that's part of moving through these phases that we're talking about is recognizing when are the stories that serve you in phase one, holding you back from moving into phase two, or into phase three, or into just being present with who you are? And can you give yourself the permission to recognize that it's okay if you let go of the wound and give it space to become a scar instead?
Speaker 2:And just noticing those word shifts right Like going from survivor to thriver, going from I've got wounds to scars. Right Like there's even a shift that we can make in our day-to-day language. That's going to set you up for letting go of those attachments. Right, and it's knowing that you're worthy of it. I think that it so much comes down to knowing that you are worthy of making the shift. You are worthy to shift out of victimhood, to shift out of your trauma, to shift out of and have the life of your dreams. Right Like I think that there's so much culturally that says you have to work hard for money, or you're not deserving, or whatever it is to keep you small.
Speaker 2:And what if you were the grandest version of who you are? What if you were embodied in your higher self all the time and made choices from that very deep, soulful, intuitive space? What if your world didn't have a lot of fear and you just trusted? I know like. I know, like I know that it's all going to work out for my highest good. Whatever is meant for me will come to me, Whatever belongs to me will be returned to me, Like all of this right. And so this is where we are calling, in our power. I call back my power from every person, place, thing, time and dimension. Right Like, there's a reason why, in soul rising, in our work as shamanic practitioners, that we utilize sovereignty statements. How am I fully sovereign, how am I fully responsible for my energy? And I call my power back because when you are fully you, you are saying no longer can I be abused, no longer can I be inflicted upon with someone else's insults, because they don't just bounce off Like.
Speaker 2:I think this is something that I had to work through as I grew my company. Right Like, we have a six figure business. We don't have a lot of haters, but every once in a while, right Like, every once in a while, there's someone out there who's going to throw some hate and it doesn't matter. Like I'm like, oh, that's cute they're. They're ones who are wounded, that they're still focusing on their wounds and projecting right.
Speaker 2:And so you come into this place of like, if negative energy comes at you, your auric field, your energy field is so strong that those if I had a bunch of limiting beliefs, like I'm not doing enough, I'm not good enough, no one's going to love me, I'm like if I had that spiraling and someone's negative comment came through on a DM or on a post or whatever it was, or a phone call. It's going to ride in on that energetic auric field soft spot, that weak point, right, and hit me. But because we've done this work, because we have come into, I am worthy of all that I am. I am divined because I am, and that auric field is like a force field around you, protecting you from those that negative energy coming in.
Speaker 2:This isn't about toxic positivity. Go listen to last week's right Like this is about I've done the work, I know who I am. So if someone calls you out and say that's not who you are, You're like, well, that's your problem. That's you projecting. That is not my problem. Right, you let it go, you move on.
Speaker 1:And I think there's. There's an aspect of this too, in that it is so powerful understanding those soft spots and how we make our auric field strong. And one of the things that I think we forget about sometimes when we're talking about healing trauma or letting go of the stories, or whatever it is, is we hold on to the stories we hold on to because we're benefiting from them in some way. You know, and a lot of times what happens is we hold on to this story about how much I've been through, or that I am a survivor. I have this huge shadow or whatever. It is like this. We hold on to that wound because somewhere in the back of our minds we're thinking well, if I'm showing my pain instead of the scar, then people will feel bad for me and they'll be kinder, or other people won't judge me for enjoying my life because I've earned it, because I've suffered, or, you know, if I'm holding on to this, then whatever happens in the future won't be as hard because I'm already hurting. That was a big one for me, of like. If I just hold on to the trauma and I hold on to the pain, then whatever comes at me in the future is not going to be as bad. Because, like, been there, done that you know like that was a big one, that you know like that was a big one. And so looking at on the flip side of that, like, what are the stories and why are you holding onto the struggles or the stories that you are? Like, what is it giving you? What kind of feeling of strength or control or immunity or deservingness, or what is that giving you? Because those that ability to like let's say, for example, with me, just to make it a little more personal and kind of click in place of like, when I'm holding on, when I was holding onto that story of I'm so sick and life took away the one thing that I love, so I'm not even going to try anymore, like I'm just, I'm just going to stay hurting because then whatever happens in the future won't hurt as bad, because this is as bad as it's going to get.
Speaker 1:When I was holding onto that story, what it gave me was kind of this false protection on my energy field, of feeling like, well, nothing else can hurt me as bad as this did. So I felt a little more protected. My energy felt like it had a little bit of a shield around it but really it was like cardboard. It was so flimsy because it was built on fear and it was built on pain and it was built on this wound and it really wasn't a shield but it was what my subconscious mind was trying to use to protect me.
Speaker 1:And so many people who are holding onto their past and holding onto their stories do it because they feel like they're getting something out of it or they're afraid of what might happen if they stop telling that story. They're afraid of the judgment that they might get if they stop kind of projecting their pain out. Or they're afraid that other people won't love them as much if they aren't wounded and need their help or need their kindness or are being so kind to them or whatever. It is right. And so I think that's a piece of that awareness too that helps you get to that point where you can release those limiting beliefs and soft spots from your auric field, because you have to recognize what am I getting out of the story that I'm telling myself right now? What am I afraid I will lose if I stop telling that story, if I let go of the identity of being a survivor or having a traumatic life or having this big wound. If I let go of that, what am I worried will happen? That people will judge me, that people won't like me, that they'll leave me, that life will be harder, that what is it. And when you can look at that and recognize that it's another chance for you to again make that choice and say do I really want to hold on to this pain so that future pains will feel less bad? Because what I'm really saying is I'm just going to keep myself in pain for my entire life, so that you know it might not be ups and downs but at least it'll be a steady level of pain. You know, it's kind of the story that I had.
Speaker 1:Like that makes, when you look at it, no cognitive sense. That makes no sense whatsoever, you know. But until you are able to look at the story and look at the benefit that you're getting from it, or the benefit that your mind thinks you're getting from holding on to that, you're never going to be able to see that loophole, that little like spiral that your mind has built that's keeping you stuck. But once you do, you can look at it and say, well, that's ridiculous. Like I don't want to live my life in pain. It's inevitable that something's going to happen in the future, right, but that doesn't mean that I have to hold on to this now, and so I can let that go. And in letting it go, that's where your auric field actually becomes stronger, that's where you actually release that weak point, because you're not holding onto this subconscious feeling or this fear of pain or judgment or loss or whatever it is. You've let it go and that's what actually strengthens your auric field.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like if someone throws a projection of their trauma on you, you then energetically agree with it. Right? If you haven't done the work, if you haven't done the healing work, if your auric field isn't strong, you would energetically agree and be like, yeah, I am horrible person or whatever it may be, and you take the hit. Right, because you're holding up the cardboard shield instead of actually doing the work to make your auric field strong. And so I absolutely love where all of this ties together. Like there's the places and spaces inside soul rising, where we're working on the limiting beliefs. We're working on our childhood wounds. We're working on understanding the benefit of, the benefit of having our limiting beliefs. We're working on how do we see ourselves from new, different angles, how do we re-script our life, Like, how do we build up our self-confidence, our self-worth throughout the program? Why? Because it's set up over four months to have one month as each chakra. Right, and so we're going to move through root up to heart. Right, because this is where the work is and it's all intertwined right. Like you know, I remember many, many years ago where I was like I'm just going to teach shamanic journey work, I'm just going to do a little six week class and teach people how to shamanic journey, and it's going to be lovely and it had so many downfalls to it. Right, because people were getting in their own way of being able to be open to allowing the divine and their imagination to make beautiful stories and their and their spiritual space of where they needed to go in the upper world, in the lower world, meeting their guides, meeting their power animals. And so they had all of these trick wires all the time of getting caught up in around their, their belief in themselves, and so it was just like, yeah, never doing that again. How can we develop a program that's really going to work through all of these underlying layers so that they can come out after four plus months and say I know I'm worthy, I know I can do this, I know that if I have a spiritual question, I know exactly what to do with that. I'm going to go ask my internal resourcing and go do a shamanic journey to find the answer. I know that I'm whole, I know that I'm worthy. I know that I can call back my power. I know how to open my eighth energy field, work on that luminous energy and heal my auric field. I know how to feel things, I know how to like. It's just so rich and I really do use that word intentionally. It's so rich so that wherever you are at, there's going to be benefit for you.
Speaker 2:And I just absolutely love the way we have weaved this program together, because it has been now many, many times over where we have asked for students' assessments and reflections and we have tweaked and we have redone videos and we have curated the content exactly the way we know that it's going to be optimal for this process, right? So it wasn't like this one and done thing where it was like we never changed it. No, we have constantly changed it to constantly make it better and better and better. And so not only are you getting pre-recorded videos on these shamanic lessons, on these limiting belief lessons, on all of this internal personal and spiritual development work, but you're also getting live calls. So there's gonna be multiple calls a week. You come, you submit your survey of when you're available and I will curate the perfect schedule to make sure every single student can come to at least one call a week, and those calls are two hours long. But not only that you're getting pre-recorded guided meditations and activating actions and you have facilitator support and we're gonna check in with you on a weekly basis and you're gonna have those reflections to make sure that you understand the material so that if you're falling through the cracks we can catch you right Like it's so, it's so, it's beautiful, it's so, such a beautiful program and we have dozens of students that have left testimonials and videos and just saying what an amazing program this is and I just can't wait Like I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:We start here on September 15th for our orientation week we have, if you sign up now, you get into orientation. Now, you can get a headstart and get into understanding the metaphysical anatomy and physiology for the chakras. You can understand the energetics of time. We're going to start working on some of these layers of our subconscious that are saying I'm not worthy, I don't have enough time, I don't have enough money. We can address those right away, right as soon as you're in the program. So kind of bust through some of that right away so that you can fully be a guest at like. So if you have questions, if you are interested, feel free to come to us, book a call with us. It's totally free. We're not going to sign you up if we don't think that you're ready for it or you don't have enough time or whatever. It is Like we really have those calls to answer any questions and really meet what your needs are, and so if we don't think our program is going to do that, we're going to tell you.
Speaker 1:And you know, what I love about this is that we really do have, at this point, hundreds of students who have gone through and done this work with us and, like Christine was saying, not only helped us make the program better but experienced what happens when you do the work, when you show up, when you have the self-awareness, when you work through your shadow, when you hold space for more magical possibilities and you have that foundation underneath it all of Reiki, of shamanic work, of connecting with your own power and your auric field and strengthening your energy and balancing your chakras and having these like 35 plus activating actions for quick ways to bring yourself, your energy back into alignment, and when you put it all together, how that really does become this recipe for having life feel magical. You know, and I think that's what I think about every time people are like well, you know who should take the course. You know I have people ask me all the time like, well, how do I know this course is for me? And it's like, if you're that person who's feeling like there's got, like there's gotta be more, this can't just be what life is supposed to be like, like I am so tired of just waking up and going through the motions, or I'm so tired of feeling anxious all the time, or I'm so tired of feeling like I'm not enough, or I have these ideas for this business that I want to start, or this creative work that I want to do, but I don't know how to do it, or I just feel so isolated and I never feel connected, or I really want to, like, go put my feet in the grass and actually feel something when I do it. You know, like, if those are the kinds of thoughts that you're having, then Soul Rising is the work.
Speaker 1:You know, and it's not because our program is the best program although I'm a little biased and I do think that's true and our students tend to agree with me but it's because, the way that we put this together, there is no possible way you can move through the program and not experience some kind of transformation or awakening or expansion, because there's something for every layer of your being. We're addressing your spirit with the shamanic and the Reiki pieces. We're addressing your mind with the psychology and the subconscious rewiring. We're addressing your emotions by helping you learn how to hold space for them and using coaching and processing techniques to help them process and rewire and reset your nervous system. We're addressing your physical body with some of the activating actions that we have and understanding your connection to the elements and to nature, and we're weaving it all together so that it just becomes second nature.
Speaker 1:You know, I think so many students walk through and do the work and come out on the other side going why haven't I been doing this the whole time? Like, why has nobody ever told me this before? Because and again, I think that's the beauty of shamanic work, you know, is it is, when we look back at the history, it is our inherent way of being alive. It is the inherent, natural way that people have been connecting with themselves, nature and the divine for hundreds of thousands of years. And when we can reawaken that knowledge in the present, it's like coming home to yourself.
Speaker 1:It's like coming home to this way of living that does feel fulfilling and that does feel magical and that does feel like it holds space for all of you, not just the joyful, perfect, shiny parts, but also the heavy and the sad and the angry and the anxious, and all of it Like being able to recognize the beauty of all of that and work through it and reclaim your power and know that you're worthy in all of those states and have the tools and have the ability to just look at the world around you and say, yeah, I love it here, you know, like in the midst of all of the chaos, to be able to look around and be like I love being alive. If you want to be able to say that, then soul rising is going to help you get there, because there's, like I said, there is no way that you do all of this work and don't come out the other side with some kind of feeling of being more connected, more alive, more expanded than you have before, because it it just, it's just, it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's really lovely to see people who have been in the Reiki world for 20 plus years. They've, like there's brand new people who have been dabbling in energy work and they need mentorship, like in everything in between. It's a lovely place to come. So it there isn't judgment.
Speaker 2:If you have been doing work and you are making your own progress and you just need a deep dive, right Like, we have plenty of people who come to this program, who have done mediumship work, who have done Reiki training for years and years and now are Reiki teachers, right Like, and we have people who are just getting started and be like, I just came to the awareness of shamanism and I want to learn more, and so anywhere, any part of your spiritual journey where this is resonating for you, you're welcome, right, and I want to like, emphasize like you are welcome to come into the space, regardless of your background in history, and we know that the program itself in and of itself is going to give you the things that you need, whether that is from your students or from Earth, or from the divine, or from the videos, or from mentorship or wherever it's going to come, you're going to receive exactly what you need out of this program and that's part of the intention. Like people will sign up for the course and then call me a few days later and like I've been crying for three days, I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're already. We're already in the container of the work and we're starting to shed some of those layers. So you really start to feel that shift, that bridge happening as soon as you say yes and things are going to start shifting in your life and it's always just amazing and beautiful to watch the process. So, if you're interested, yes, we have decided that early bird will be extended for one more week and you can book a call to lock in that price.
Speaker 2:If you have questions, feel free to reach out to us. We are here for you to answer any questions and we're getting started soon. It's just a couple weeks away and I'm just like I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, yes, we are so excited. Orientation classes start September 15th, but enrollment is open until September 21st. So if you are interested, send us a message, get on a free call with us, ask questions on this post or send us an email or whatever it is. Just connect with us, check out the sales page, see if this is right for you. If you feel the call, let's talk about it. Let's see if this is meant for you, and we can't wait to see you in the program. We already have so many amazing individuals enrolled for this fall class and I am so excited to get started.
Speaker 1:And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Bye everyone. Thanks for tuning in to today's show. The Wisdom Rising podcast is sponsored by Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, facebook, youtube and TikTok at Moon Rising Institute, or visit our website, moonrisinginstitutecom to learn more about our mission and find future opportunities to connect with our community of shamanic mystics. Once again, thank you for sharing space with us today and until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.