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Bear Medicine: What Hibernation Teaches About Rest And Renewal

• Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa • Season 4 • Episode 9

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As Fall season arrives, it is time to lean into Bear Medicine—hibernation, nourishment, and quiet, embodied power—to map a practical path for this liminal time between fall and winter. From soup and soft pajamas to breathwork and silent integration, we explore why slowing down isn’t avoidance; it’s intelligent design. Rest becomes the ritual that metabolizes emotion, integrates spiritual upgrades, and prepares you for a spring that arrives through you, not to you.

In this episode, we’ll explore:

  • Seasonal shift toward introspection and hibernation
  • Weather discord and the body’s energetic pull inward
  • Fall gardening as metaphor for composting and release
  • Community needs for quiet, soft gatherings, and integration
  • Discerning yes and no to prevent burnout
  • Calling in guides and protection for shadow work
  • •Writing and creative projects suited to winter’s pace

We talk about composting as a way of life: clearing gardens and closets, retiring spent talismans, and returning used-up tools to the soil. Shadow work takes a seat at the table, but fear doesn’t lead. Call in your heavy lifters—guides, ancestors, archangels—so your container is strong enough for what rises. We differentiate battling inner demons from tending shadow with care, and we offer simple practices that turn integration into a daily rhythm: protected space, timed silence after breathwork or sound bath, and living altars that actually live.

There’s also a candid look at burnout and boundaries during the holidays. Not every invitation deserves a yes; your den needs you more than your calendar does. We share why leaving space invites inspiration, how to spot a real yes in your body, and why winter is ideal for deeper writing, curriculum building, and intimate creative work. No five-step enlightenment here—just grounded tools, personal pacing, and the courage to meet the season as it is. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs permission to rest, and leave a review to help others find their way to Bear’s quiet wisdom. What small yes will you give yourself today?

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SPEAKER_03:

Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moonrising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Renee and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising. This week's episode, we touch into Bear Medicine. Bear, the ancient guardian of introspection and healing. Bear medicine calls us to journey within, to follow the tracks that lead not across the land, but deep into the caves of our own soul. This is a season of change that is upon us as we move into the fall season where we are led into introspection. So our conversation today with Chantel is going to bring us deep into this inner wisdom of how we can find our own inner landscape to awaken our wisdom rising from within. Welcome, welcome, welcome, everyone back to another Whispers of Wisdom. I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa as we begin our whispers of wisdom on the topic of the hibernation, of the season of change, of bear bear medicine, all the things. I love your necklace this morning. Thank you. This was my grandmother. She loved supporting Native American artists. And so I and when she passed, I've I received all of her turquoise jewelry, all of her Native American jewelry. That's a nice piece. That's a really lovely piece.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if I've ever seen you wear it.

SPEAKER_03:

Have you? That's interesting. You yeah, I would assume that you would have at some point. I tend to wear it when I'm feeling like I need the strength. Like this is a really powerful energy. Like it's an eagle with her talons out. Like, so whenever I'm feeling like I really need to feel stronger, this is this is this is where I go to.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it definitely is. I think it's too deep. It's very suited for a conversation this morning. Totally. But yeah, we're gonna be talking about our current season, our season of where our earth is, well, at least here in our area of the world, going into the fall season, going within our internal cave, following the example of the bear and its medicine and what we can call forward with that. Well, so how are you feeling as we are diving into this topic? Are you connecting with the fall? And I know that you get a lot of snow where you're at earlier than some of the rest of us.

SPEAKER_03:

So you know, I think that's why I feel really off, is because we landed back in Bozeman and it was 70 degrees mid-November. This is not normal. Like it's like 55 out right now, and this is not normal November weather. We should have two inches of snow outside right now, and it's very warm. It's it's it's unnerving, is what it is.

SPEAKER_00:

So you you did get snow a couple weeks ago, I remember you saying, right?

SPEAKER_03:

We had one day of snow, I think, in early October, and then it's been it's been really nice, it's been unseasonably warm. Um, like right now, I could go out and keep working on the garden. Like it's that it's nice out. I'm like, this is not how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be bear season where all of the bears should be hibernating by now, and that's um, and you and now you still can't walk the trail um in the evenings or early morning because the bear is still out.

SPEAKER_00:

So they're still out right now.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like I would not be on that trail unless it was midday, and then I had like there was enough people and dogs around, you know. Yeah, but yeah, so the weather is so bizarre. So when you brought up this topic as a potential conversation for whispers of wisdom, I was like, I need this, like I need all of this, and I need the weather to change so I can feel it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you know, I've just been having a lot of conversations with people and they're just talking about where they are emotionally, and and I'm realizing, you know, well, a lot of that is because of where we are, where our seasons are. Because even if our if mother nature is not showing up the way we expect it to, energetically, we're still all being pulled into that. And so um, yeah, definitely having conversations where people are like, man, I just feel like my energy is low. I just want to be home, I want to be cuddled up in a blanket, and our weather is not. We just went through three days of beautiful rain. I mean, it just been raining, dumping on us, which um we haven't had in a minute. So that was really nice. So it definitely was like became soup season real quick. And no, we are very obviously I'm in a tank top. So we're not we're not full blown like winter or late fall, but um, for our time of year, yeah, we're definitely um not in the current temperature that we typically are as well. But people are feeling it, and so I just think it's a great reminder and conversation to have so people can tune into where they are. Are they returning to self? Are they going into their inner cave, their inner den to do that introspection where we're being guided to? Or are people still feeling active? And you know, like you said, you can go garden.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, and even the gardening right now, it's like putting things to bed, you know, and that's a very different type of gardening when it's like you've pulled out the old squash plants, or you've pulled out the the the pea pods, or you know, all of the things that were in full vibrancy and now it's dead, you know, and so you you take it out and you put it in the compost and and just that process of okay, we're we're intentionally moving the energy around. And then you take your garden beds and to put them to bed, you might add leaves or compost or straw, and you put them to bed, and it's to prepare their energy to decompose and re-nitrogen themselves in preparation for the spring, you know. So there's a bit of fall gardening that is very different because it is putting things to sleep, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, which is great symbolically, you know, synchronistically, that is where we are. It's like putting it to sleep, putting it to bed. It's a good way of putting it. Yeah, and that, you know, especially with the the shorter days, the longer nights now, like, you know, it's filling late and it's 5:30 and dark. And we go through this every year, but I think we've gotten so detached from our natural, like circadian rhythm rhythm and connecting with our nature that we don't think about it until somebody mentions it and then's like, oh yeah, well, that makes sense. You know, as the leaves are changing, as things the night is getting longer, the day is getting shorter, we too are filling into that. So this isn't really a time for us to be crazy building, it's time for us to be sitting and resting and thinking about how our year has been and what where we are currently.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And I think people are really definitely feeling that need to go inward. I just attended a cacao ceremony on Saturday, and there was we got a good decent crowd. There was probably like 25 of us. And and everyone was like, I made I forced myself to come out of my house. I made myself like I want community and I haven't left my house in weeks, you know. Like that that was like the overall sentiment. Like I'm forcing myself to do this thing to reconnect with people and to feel amongst like-minded people. And it was very much like I haven't been called to that. So it was nice that even if it's just once a month to come and gather together in community, but there is this general sentiment of being quiet and wanting to go inward. And I think that is really um a beautiful calling, you know. And I see that in our students too. I love how our program is set up because it's a calling to like the further you go in, it's like you're going deeper and deeper inward. And so I love the fall cohort because it's like you can see it in them. Like now they're really ready to do the inner work. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And it is, and then you start seeing like as they're showing up, are people like more in cozy clothes and they're snuggled up on their couch versus like the desk where they might have first sat and blankets and all that. I went shopping yesterday and I just bought a bunch of PJs. And I don't have, I'm not a PJ girl, like I love whatever I wear, but no, I've been like, I found these really soft ones. And even the lady when she was checking, she's because these are really soft. I'm like, yep, and that's my season. That's like literally gonna be my season. I'm like, I'm all good for that. Put the fire on, have some nice cozy PJs, and uh, that sounds like a good night.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And no, I think that's there's an invitation there of like, this is your season to go inward. What does that look like for you? Does that mean cozy PJs? Does that mean tea by the fire? Does that mean shoveling your snow? Like, what does that mean for you? Because there's so much introspection possible if we're doing it intentionally.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. So um some of the things that I am looking forward to this fall is just to do that, is to do some really strong introspection, which I've already started, but now I'm I'm just filling that inner pool. And you know, I don't know if it also is coming with I don't mean age and like you're getting older, but I mean like the wisdom of aging, the wisdom of learning all of the things that I've learned and I've processed over, you know, the last five, six years and longer, but you know, and I feel like I really do embrace these cycles in life, these natural cycles. Versus when I was younger, you know, it was like, no, none of that, none of that even registered so much. It was like the knowing of, but nothing. I wasn't like, oh, now I'm gonna be intentional with this. So I think it's a great invitation for all of us to just tune in and see what it is that we want to um to bring forward come spring, come summer. Yeah, right. And we we're starting that process now as we're closing this up. Yeah. Right. As we're putting ourselves to bed, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And I it's curious to kind of look at where where are you at in that process of birth and growth and death and rebirth again. And this is the season to recognize that so much is ready to be composted in your life. Right. And I think that's the like whether it's my actual physical garden or what's going on in my life that I'm ready to release, just like the the leaves of a tree fall away. Like, what am I really holding on to that I don't want to anymore? And it's sometimes it's simple acts. Like I'm going through, like here in Montana, you have two sets of clothing. Like, I won't need any summer clothes for the next probably seven months. Like, not necessary. So I put them away. But every time I do put them away, I go through each piece and go, is this something that resonates who I am? Is this something that brings me joy, or is this something I didn't wear this whole entire past season? And I'm ready to let it go. Right. So it's kind of that evaluation in many aspects of your life, like whether it's your closet or your job situation or parts of yourself that are like, wow, I'm really been holding on to this limiting belief, and now I'm finally ready to go inward and evaluate and go, how is this serving me? What's the benefit of this limiting belief? What am I gaining from this? And is it true? Can I let it go? What and so just that that wisdom of reflection and taking the time to reflect, do the journaling, to do, to do your your journey, your journeying work, whatever it may be, is so supportive in the season of like um we're not going out as much, you know. And so there is that physicality of uh yeah, I probably will be home doing lots of baking and and nourishing of my den, the bear's den, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah, I like that was last night making soup and stuff like that. I came home, I had class on Saturday, and I got home and I was expecting soup because he was home and it was raining and he made something else. And I was like, Oh, I figured you'd make soup. And he goes, Oh, that sounds so good. And I'm like, Oh, it's all good, whatever we're eating. But so yesterday I did that and we went out for a little bit, and both of us, when we got out, we were like, Okay, we're ready just to go home. You know, and there is that, like you're saying, that that death and rebirth, that cycle that we're all going through, that self-evaluation right now of what is serving me and what isn't serving me. And so this is that time to be able to bury what doesn't serve and let it go and release it and compost it, burn it, whatever, right? Is to have those rituals with self, whether it's just a verbal contract with yourself, you're setting your own guidelines and boundaries or whatever, you're just in sense of releasing people and things, or you're standing your in your own, like, okay, I want to nurse that. So let's go ahead and keep that going and nourish it how it needs it. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So how for how for you do you see bear wisdom show up in your life in other ways? Or what does bear wisdom mean to you?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh to me, it means the the packing of like you know, how he's always in search of food and out and lumbering in the woods. And then I feel like there's just this natural call to go within that sleeping of hibernation. And I mean, bear sleeps for like what, four months, five months or something, which I think is so crazy. But um, you know, so definitely it's it's knowing to follow the tracks of that and what animals, what are the animals doing? What are they naturally doing? You know, like here, I don't have bears in my town, my area like you do, but I have birds, I have hummingbirds, I have different butterflies and things like that naturally are always around, and then they go away. You know, other things start coming out right now, but there's just nature is starting to shift. And I'm not in an area even where we lose our leaves, but you can see where things are starting to become wintered. They're they're weatherizing themselves and naturally, and so when you see that in the plants that are naturally around you, that's a calling, like, oh, it's a reminder. Like I have some tropical plants in my front yard, and this time of year it it's they don't thrive, you know, they're all wilted and dried up, and if they get frostbite, we have to protect them and all that stuff. So um, it's just different, but you can feel it, you feel the earth beneath you going, it's time to rest.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because my uh power animal is bear, and and I'm you know, we made contact when I first started training in shamanic studies probably over 15 years ago, and she didn't do nothing other than eat and rest. Eat and rest, eat and rest. And that was that was the message, right? Like I've always been kind of a go, go, go personality and stretching myself thin and like overgiving to others. And and bear's just like, we're just gonna eat the berries and then we're gonna rest, and then we're gonna eat the fish, and then we're gonna rest. Like that's that was the message for me. Like, just eat the things and rest. And so I I always have appreciated Bear's quiet, underlying wisdom for me constantly. Like, where are we resting? Like yesterday, I had no need of no physical awareness of a need why I would need a nap. And I was like, I need to take a nap. And I lied down and take took a nap. Like I had plenty of sleep the night before, but there's definitely um this call to be like, let your body do what it needs to do. And if that is eating the warm, nourishing soups, or taking a rest, or reading a book, or journaling, like all of those, I don't know, in introspective internal um it feels very um supportive for where we're we're at in this season.

SPEAKER_00:

I think so too. I'm curious to know, like, because I also believe on the other side, we're spiritually doing work at this time of year too. So I think our bodies need to rest so that we can be doing other things energetically or whatever, you know. Um, so it's it's the it is filling into that too, because knowing when we're sleeping, our body's sleeping, but we're not sleeping, like our conscious isn't sleeping like that. So what else are we doing that this time of year is so important?

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, is it a more spiritually advanced, like active time, and then our body is resting because of that? Or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03:

I that's a really good curiosity because I think that there's some truth in that, because I think there's a lot of things going on currently, whether it's with these dang solar flares, or yes, you know, the all of these planets in retrograde or the Schumann resonance, like there's all kinds of things happening, both from the sun and the earth and everything in between, where things are feeling really uh kind of intense. You know, we just had our 1111 portal, like all of these things are happening, and what's your reaction to it? Right. Like, I think there's a lot going on, whether subconsciously or consciously, and it's it's the rest that we need to help integrate and energetically up-level our I almost want to say like biosphere, like yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's like we're we are we're upgrading our DNA and our like crystalline body and all that because we have to, because everything is changing around us, the earth is changing, so we have to evolve with that too. And I think that you're right with that is the integration right now of what uh everything that's going on, because that's what everyone's talking about. It's like I went, I had a class last week, and then um, you know, the students are like, I'm just feeling retrograde. It was in my master class and um for archetypes, and you know, they're like, check in, how are you feeling? They're like, this retrograde. And I was like, Oh, that's crazy. And half the class felt like that, you know, and I'm like, oh, I get that. So people are way more in tune to that, what's happening out there versus just what's happening around them. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03:

And I think that that's why there's this consistent invitation during this season to really start, if you haven't yet started, to slow down. I I had uh a student on last night where she is one of those go, go, go, over serve her family. Um, she's in survival mode constantly, right? And it's this where can you cut out five minutes for yourself? Where can that turn into 20? Can that be an hour? You know, like where are you at? And what can you say yes to for your rest, for your rejuvenation, right? This is the time to let ourselves be quiet. And so she was telling um the class about this class she takes once a week. I'm like, have you ever thought of just taking a nap instead of going in? Like, I I'm gonna, I'm gonna invite that invitation of, you know, you could if you have that one hour a week or whatever it may be, and your body is calling for rest, take it however you can. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00:

Because this is where burnout comes from. Exactly. You know, a lot of times people aren't recognizing that they too are in full burnout because they're not resting, they aren't in alignment with what's going on. And so we have to listen. Our body is highly intelligent, way more intelligent than our thought process. So we really have to listen to what it has a say and what it's speaking to us. And and so if that doesn't come into our awareness, and then we burn out and then we feel sick and we feel all this stuff is going on, why is that happening? Because we're not in any natural flow, we're just going, going, going, and yes, like putting everyone else's needs before our own, which isn't that's not filling us up either, and that's not right. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So where where are those places and spaces that you're truly resting? And for me, it really is my afternoon nap sometimes. Like, heck yeah, those are good. I love it. I love it. There was a study that came out not too long ago that showed that you are less likely to have heart attacks if you took a nap every day. And I was like, everyone should be taking naps.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I'll uh like on a side note of listening to our body. So I have this bracelet that I've been wearing. It's a protective bracelet, and um, I'll show you. And I've had it on for a while, I think it served its purpose and it's done because I've been having like this pain, and I'm like, okay, where why is that happening? Why is this arm aching? And right now it's like take the bracelet off, it's done. Ooh. And now I feel the energy opening up.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Is that like well, and it goes to show like if we can take a moment to quiet ourselves and listen, our bodies are trying to speak to us.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. And I feel so much chills in my like everything. Oh, this is like actually, I'm going through it right now. It's like taking off um like a bondage, or it's like it done, it did its job, it's done, it served its purpose, and I'm good. I can go cleanse that and release it. I'll probably go bury it later in the ground. Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, and I I love that example for all of our listeners. Like, notice, like, I remember I would get clients coming into studio and they'd come in for a Reiki session. They were like, Do I need to take off all of my necklaces? Like they would be wearing these giant crystals, right? And like, yeah, but you need to give them all to me and let me energetically clear them, right? So they would be like, it felt like five pounds of jewelry, and I'm energetically clearing them off, and then they would put them on back on. They were like, Oh my god, it's so much lighter.

SPEAKER_00:

Right? Yes, because they're working, like they're working jewelry and work. The stones are doing their job, and yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's like, where are we really done with the cycle? Like, I love that you mentioned that, yeah, I'm gonna go clear this and bury it. Like there, like, I think I don't think that too often people recognize how powerful that action is of like, I'm gonna take the thing and bury it. When we're done with our money bowls, let's not just throw it out in the trash, let's go bury the content, yes, right? Let's go bury the things, let the earth compost it, whatever is that was released in whatever ceremonial objects that we're using. Can we go bury it? And I just think that there are so many different places and spaces where I find spiritual objects in particular, like they've done their job, they're really complete, and the best thing that we can do with them is to give them back to the earth.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. And and noticing like how they, you know, I've had a few things like where um my best friend who moved from here to um Arkansas the night, the her very last night here, I we she came over and we were gonna do some readings, and I pulled out my selenite wand, and it was literally split in half, like perfect cut. And I was like, whoa. So I gave her half and I took half. But see, it's like that that shows up for us. But some people who are like, oh, that's just a coincidence. I don't believe in coincidence, I'm all about like what's speaking to you and what's your synchronistic message on that. Um, and so to me, it was like, yeah, we're always staying connected. You know, you have a piece of one part and I have the other. It's kind of like those old um heart necklaces.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the little best friend necklaces.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Like you're my bestie for life. Which I think we had that too. Yeah. But you know, it it's um just really recognizing and coming back to our topic of just noticing what is speaking to you around you. And are you gonna use your inner wisdom to listen? Or do you just bypass it? Because I think a lot of times we're just bypassing our own self and our own messages and not stopping and saying, you know what? I'm because we hold on to things so tightly, and it really is. It's and like release it, let it go. Whatever's meant to stay will stay. Whatever's meant to happen is gonna happen. It's holding on to it doesn't make it stronger, it actually makes it weaker, it makes us weaker.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Yeah, there's a bit of that imagery of um burying yourself. Like if you're really gonna go into the earth, like I've done shamanic journeys, and I know in many different ancient uh indigenous cultures, there is like a bearing of the body, like we're going into our own internal deaths, and then as you come out of the earth, it's this rebirth, like this very symbolic process, ceremony. And it's like when energetically, uh I love going to the lower world and energetically being like, I am burying myself in the earth, and whatever needs to be released to the soil, like you can just feel layers coming off of you, composting right around you. You can feel the worms and all the other insects that are composting your body so that you can be rebuilt again. Yeah, right. And that might sound really intense, and it is, it's not a beginner's uh process, but there is something really beautiful about this complete surrender of self to Mother Earth, to Gaia, and say, take what no longer serves me, build me back in your image and what is going to serve you to the highest good, and let the process happen. Right. And so, what part of winter are we really actually surrendering and letting go of that anxious desperation of not knowing if we are going to have enough to survive the winter? Can we trust that we've done all that we needed to do in preparation? That we know, like we know, like we know, that not only survival is guaranteed, but thriving is guaranteed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. You know, at work, well, at the center where I'm at, it's interesting because as we get into these last three months, there the the buzz talk around there is like, okay, as it the holidays are coming, as the winter is coming, and all of that, it actually gives us practitioners like permission to relax, like to tune into ourselves, to not be so busy and know that it's okay if the clients don't, like if we're not overly busy and all that. It it literally gives people the okay and the permission to be flexible to stay home if they want to stay home. Like we're not open if it's pouring rain out there, you know, it's okay. Like our gates shut. Like, stay home, don't be on the road. And um, I really like that because that the first couple of years it was like to me, it was kind of like, well, you know, but people need us when they need us. But when I realized, no, this is an actual like time for us to say, people stay home. It's okay. Like you can call us, we're here, there's distance work and all of that, but we don't always have to be in each other's space like that. Because I think that's part of it too, is we have our community, but sometimes we also need to go do our individual work. And you can't do that if you're always together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Yeah. Well, and I noticed too that like oftentimes things are, I think this is a good segue into the holidays are upon us. Yeah. And the request from so many individuals is to gather together and gather together and gather together and recognizing where you have energy for that and where you don't. And not saying yes to all of the things. Like in my spiritual community, I'm I'm part of a I'm I'm a partner in the Bozeman Spiritual Society and we have a collective space and we try to do events together. And there was some chat about doing some more events, and I just started crying this morning. It's like, I just already feel so overwhelmed. Like I can't take on any more than that, what's already on my plate. And recognizing like, where are the places and spaces that you are saying there's a full body yes? Yes, I want to do this. And where is there, like no? Where's where is that energetic? I want to draw my energy back and pull inward because it's not an alignment or not, or that it's just there's just too much of a request, right? Like I love these people, I love doing things with them, I love having potlooks with them, I love all the things, and I just can't put any more into it at this point in time.

SPEAKER_00:

And does it all fall on you to do? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03:

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just for you just to show up, just for me to show up.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I, you know, I often am the one to make like the Facebook events and things for that group. And it's like, it doesn't have to be that way. Why can't everyone make their own individual events? Like it shouldn't, it doesn't need to be this way. Yes. Um, but yeah, it's it's very uh recognizing where in my life do I is it really a full like, yes, I want to, I want to do this, let's say, winter solstice event, or I want to do this new moon circle, or whatever I want to put my energy into. And where does it feel like maybe that's not maybe that's not the thing at this season? Maybe this isn't the thing that I want to be doing right now. And recognizing there's some wisdom in your your body is trying to tell you where it's okay to pull back and to rest in.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. And then maybe that's the revamping of it at you know, at the beginning of the year, to say, okay, you know what? I mean, you say your no's now where you need to, but then you can come back to the drawing board and say, maybe we can restructure this because yeah, it's a lot of work to do for however many people, you know, when everyone can create their own. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so it's just kind of like a very interesting recognition of our what are we doing and why are we doing it? You know, and where are we allowing ourselves to have enough space of nose in our life so that we have a blank slate? We have a spirit of surrender so that we can let the divine inspiration into our world. Right? If we fill up our calendar so much, where can divine inspiration show up and be like, this is what I want you to be doing? This is the calling, this is what's here for you. And if there are so many people, myself included, I have a real history of like filling up the calendar and making sure it's really full all of the time when there needs to be blank space, there needs to be that rest, there needs to be that integration of all of the lessons from the previous season. And where are we creating silence and quiet to allow new inspiration to come through?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that is really important to be able to have that empty space that not so because you know space is never empty, but to be able to have that time within yourself to integrate all the things and to so you can receive the messages within yourself, so you can connect with your guides, so you can walk a different journey, and sometimes that's what we need to do. Doesn't mean everything has to shift, it means something shifts, and that one shift then has like that repeating, you know, everything kind of shifts with it, but in the highest good for yourself, not just like I'm cutting it all out, but it's like what can we readjust here to create space for more growth? Yeah, really, because it's it is all about growing, it's not like we don't want to, you know, totally take ourselves out, and that's not what we're talking about. But where can our growth edge be? Where is it? Where's that moment?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god, I love that. I love like in that edge. I feel like I'm always towing that line of like, where is it now? Like, as you were speaking, I was thinking, like, oh, silent retreat would be amazing this time of year, right? Oh, that would be, huh? Right. Well, and it I what I like, I the vision that came to me was like it's not a sit still and be silent, it's a move and be silent. Like, how can we move our bodies with dance and these different activating actions that we offer, but it's all in silence. And then you have these journaling and this time for to draw your oracle cards and like and have a Reiki share where literally there is no words, we're just sharing energy, you know. Like, I can see that like I yeah, it's just like as I'm talking about we need to create space for inspiration. I'm like, oh, that would be so cool. I'd love to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

As you're you're sharing that, I'm thinking, I got new moon tomorrow. I might be like implementing some of that, you know. I've actually been in implementing um moments of silence and integration after an attunement. Like we're just in silence because I'll do like a group attunement, right? And those who are very chatty in the head want to pop up. I'm like, no, we're we're in integration. After a sound bath, you know, take your time. Don't just pop up off the mat and you know, like, no, integrate this energy. And us as the facilitators, we're not gonna have a lot to say to you. We're gonna be closing our circle. We're gonna ask you how you're doing, if there's some shares. Other than that, the lights aren't coming on. We're very like intentional of how it is, but it didn't start like that. And it's like you start to watch how do people react when they integrated versus the ones that pop up and go, right? And you see the ones who pop up and go have a really hard time sitting with themselves. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's having those moments as facilitators to say this is the moment just to be, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. We um our class and intro to Tantra masterclass last week, we did a breath work practice, a very intense 15-minute breathwork practice. And then we and then we took 10 minutes of silence, 10 minutes of rest, 10 minutes of no talking. And it's amazing what happens when you're in a vigorous breathwork practice, and then you allow your body to shift in the moments afterwards. It's like you shake everything up and everything gets jostled. Anything that's ready to lift off of your body emotionally, physically, spiritually is available. Like it's it's all at the surface. And then you just lie down and you witness yourself in am I having visions? Am I connecting with source? Am I feeling the tingle sensations in my body? How is the energy moving? And what's settling back in? What is a yes for me in the silence of integration? It's so yummy, so juicy.

SPEAKER_00:

It is so yummy. And I would love it for people to let us know if you're gonna actually take a moment of silence for yourself, you know, like let us know in the community. Like, if you do that for yourself, let us know here in the chat. Like, do you give yourself enough time to integrate your thoughts, your emotions, the projects that you're working on, right? Like, do you release or walk away from certain relationships or situations and then you just jump onto the next thing? Or do you give yourself that time? You know, and I think that integration is such an important energetic, like it brings it re-wraps everything up. I feel like, you know, it's like that that full package. If we don't integrate, we kind of is like you're leaving the bow off of the all the work or something, you know, like you're leaving you just got a box, like wrap it up, make it pretty, it's all good. And I feel like that's what integration does for us. Because that's where like the meat of like the real juicy part of what we just did is all about, because that is where those messages come in, those little nudges within ourselves. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's an invitation of like, do you have space in your home, that sanctuary space that you can create for yourself and recognize as I sit here, if I can and in giving myself permission to take my moment of stillness, a moment of silence. Yeah. Right. And how often are you going to that place?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, we need to go to that place all the time because even our altars, they're living altars. We have to work with them. You know, we have to go to them and sit with them and and move things around and bring in new energy. And like you were saying, the money bowls, like they don't last all year. Like the energy, you gotta keep them alive and and change out their like the rice and the herbs and everything, at least every season, you know, if not monthly. I mean, I don't change mine monthly, but I do each season. Um and you know they talk to you. Like when I walk past them, kind of like the bracelet, like, hello, you're ignoring us. How are we gonna create abundance if you're not putting the energy here? And so it is important. Um, I've had a lot of guidance to pick up a project lately, and it it became more, and I'm I'm creating this journal for my level ones, and and so and I'm almost done with it, but man, it became a bigger project than I thought. And now I'm like, okay, so but I feel in the parts because I'm taking it one piece at a time. So as one part's opening up, I'm letting that energy integrate. I'm doing what I need to do there. So I can take in the other and shift that energy because it is three parts. So um, yeah, it's just I'm redoing all of them, I'm doing redoing a lot of my stuff, which I've needed to for a long time.

SPEAKER_03:

Some leaders might be writing a book and don't even know it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, kind of, I think. I'm um well, I'm redoing all of my level manuals and um which I've needed to. And so with that, I'm pro I'm um creating like the support system of the 21 days and you know, that kind of thing. And so there's yeah, it is kind of writing a book without knowing it, but it's it's interesting because it wasn't something I had planned, it was something I woke up to, right? And you need to go do that. Okay. And then I'm doing it, and I'm like, this is way bigger than I thought.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, yeah, I'm feeling that for sure.

SPEAKER_00:

So I just feel like my guides are up there and non-body, like, just create. And I'm like, okay, here in the physical world, you know, you can't just whip something out like that. You gotta put time in it every day. And so yeah, I find that very interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And I and I'm it's I'm curious about writing projects for a winner, you know. Like, I think this is a really great time to do writing projects. I know, and maybe our our followers have noticed, but I'm doing a lot more writing, I'm offering a lot more writing pieces than I have in the past. And I feel like there's this definite call for me to share more intimately and vulnerably and uh and and actually put it in written material. And I've always thought that, you know, I'm not a writer, like I don't feel like I'm a writer. I might be a storyteller, but I'm not, I'm I don't necessarily like to write. It takes quite a bit of effort for me to feel comfortable with a piece. And doing these little blogs or these little posts, like, is just the starting of like me getting comfortable because I know a bigger something is coming. And I'm like, okay, if I can just do this a couple of times a week, I'm gonna I'm working my way through that um internal story that I just have writer's block or I'm not good at this or whatever it is. So uh yeah. So thanks to all of our listeners out there watching the right written material that we're putting out here at Moonrising as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think um it's that writing archetype that's coming alive, you know, and you and and when we don't feel like, okay, I'm not a writer, well, yeah, but if it's being imprinted on you, there's something that's meant to come forward, and that's where we're talking like that surrender and that integration and the understanding of going within. Do we fight that fight? Like, no, I'm not a writer. Or can we allow the vulnerability to come through and the words to come out? You know, I used to write a lot, and then when I kind of shut down my own like personal Facebook page and everything, um, because in the beginning, when I really started this work, I was always like, but it didn't at the time, it wasn't in sync with the people that I was friends with on there. You know what I mean? I needed a new group, a new following that I can. And now I feel like I'm in that place where I can be vulnerable. I can say what I and people understand. They're not coming at me like, what are you talking about? Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you've been in your own energy solidly for a long, like a long enough period of time where you're no longer getting the pushback from from your previous, you know, past relationships, you know? Like it's really interesting when you find yourself continuously saying yes to being of service of the divine. The more I say yes, the more I lean in, the more guidance I receive, the more I find myself and people who are ready to be receptive to it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, that is the full alignment. That is the alignment, right? And that's where I'm like the pushback before was because they weren't in alignment, they just weren't where I was. Now they might be on some level, you know, more awake and open now. Um, I don't know, but in the moment they weren't, and so it was very interesting. And so it was just like, okay, well, this isn't the platform for that. And so when you create a new platform and that alignment comes forward, man, that feels so good. It does. Because you really feel like you can you can show up and be fully authentic.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, and I think too, it's like that's there's an invitation for others to do the same.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And in doing so, it's like watching communities also awaken to their own alignment. And I feel like I'm in a bit of like, all right, Bozeman, come on, like you can do it. Um I feel like we're slowly getting there, but like I also see your community and see where you were two years ago, right? Like, I feel like you um you kept showing up, you kept doing the things, and now your community is a full yes in that growth phase. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And it does. It takes, you know, what I've recognized, two to three years, and not just for work, for anything. You know, people who move who transplant from one state to another, they go through this growth spurt for about two to three years before they feel home. Like they're at home, you know. And so just witnessing that and other people's growth and their transitions, I'm like, oh, it does. It's kind of like that three-day energy, right? Well, now we're just stretching it out. It's three months, it's three years, you know, kind of thing. Um, so we can expect things. Like some things can be really fast energy, but most of it isn't. It's more slow and steady, and you're building up. And it's the universe asking you, are you gonna show up for this or not?

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Or are you just gonna fall flat because you know it's been too many months out, or it's a lot of work. Because if you actually show up, it's going to show up for you.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Uh so yummy. And so it can be, and it's hard, you know, to keep pulling ourselves back from the fear, keep pulling ourselves back from being afraid of the darkness and what might bubble to the surface, right? You know, and so there's that invitation of the season two of like, we're going into the dark, and as we enter into the dark, we pass through that journey into the darkness, it's like, where are those fears arising? And where are we ready to say, I'm no longer allowing this to control who I am and how I show up in the world, right? How can the darkness be your teacher?

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm. And this is the season of the teacher, actually, in the archetype realm. This is the season of the teacher. Our shadow self is what you're basically talking about is we're going into the dark of ourselves, into our shadow work. And, you know, so a lot of people I think they avoid, they don't want that. But yes, the teacher is showing up because we have to learn about ourselves. Ultimately, that's what we're here for, is to be learning about ourselves or what we're going through. And are we going to learn those lessons from the whole year? So there are there's a lot to it. But I loved all that. Yes, we are the shadow of self, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, and and sometimes if you're just starting your spiritual work, just starting your spiritual journey, and there's that fear that arrives, recognizing that within yourself, it's okay to gather your strength as your inner warrior. Like fight your demons if they're showing up as demons. Let like recognizing that that place in your space that I you are sovereign. You are you have the internal power to push back your internal darkness. And then as you move through that process, you can then allow the darkness to come in one at a time and see it as the shadow that an aspect of yourself that you can love on more fully. But I often see it where you have to go through this patterning of, I gotta fucking gear up. I gotta be all of who I am. I've got to find my strength and courage to fight the demons, all of that pressure of, and because a lot of people have are seasonally affected by depression and anxiety and all these things, of like, how can you gather your strength and call on your heavy lifters? I cannot stress this enough. Call on your guides, call on Archangel Michael, call on Shiva, whoever it is for you. I don't care who it is, but if you give an entity that's greater than yourself the encouragement and welcoming to come fight on your behalf, you're creating this space around you to know that you're safe in it. Right. And when you have your guides, your spirit team around you, that you can feel safe in the darkness, then you can start looking at the shadow. So it doesn't always have to be this. I think that there's um a lot of people who are just seeing demons, like you know what I mean. Like it's our internal demons, it's the things that are are are pressing in so hard that how can I get out? How can I how can I escape it?

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And so when we actually recognize I need help, I need support, and that is so hard just to get to that point of going, I am worthy to ask for support, whether it's physical. Hey, I need a mentor, I need a session, or I need to call on this guy, this archangel, this whoever, and then then you feel the energy and power with you, then you can then you really feel solid and secure, and your ability to surrender and let go. Yeah, right, yes, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a process, it is, and it and then it gives us it is possible, absolutely. Um, and we're proof of that. We're we're testimonies of that, you know, because we I mean, I know in myself starting this journey journey journey, I was very much in my shadow. There was a lot of shadow work I had to go through, and and going through that now with and looking back on that, is there still stuff that pops up? Of course, there's always gonna be those layers, but the depth of it has been healed in a lot of ways because I I didn't shy away from it, I didn't let that fear get a hold of me and say, No, you know, I can't do this. I actually walked, I faced it. And that is like the power of even tuning into like where are we energetically, where are we like in our frequency of our chakras? Like, because as you're moving from root up, the root carries so much, you know, it carries so much of our shadow self and and moving forward and to each one of them and unpacking that. It's important to do the work. And if you don't, that's where we become like the naysayers, and this doesn't work, and that doesn't work, and who wants to do that kind of stuff? Well, yeah, because you don't want to face yourself. Well, you don't you and you don't face you, who can you face?

SPEAKER_03:

Right, right. It's that wanting to stay in your comfort zone, and not and if you stay in your comfort zone, you can't ever grow, you can't ever meet your growth edges, right? I am like as much as I desire a break sometimes, just have my comfort zone of the warm blankets and the hot cup of soup or whatever. There's also this, and I think this is just innately who I am, and I love being around other people who also have this in their nature of I desire consistent growth. I'm always trying to find where am I, what does this, what does this conversation reflect of about who I am? Is that alignment with me? What what what are they? What am I listening to? How can I um grow in that or try something new? Or where is it really outside my comfort zone? And what does that mean? If this is really outside my comfort zone, what does that mean? And some things you should just leave the fuck alone, right? They're just right, it's not red flags, just let that go. Right. And so it's not that we need to to always um be on that line or cross that line into our triggers and traumas and all this stuff. That's not what we're saying. It's recognizing what in you is ready to say, I am ready for alignment, I'm ready for love, I'm ready for self-acceptance, I am ready to be all that I am, and recognizing what is my yes and what's my no. Right. And so it's how can we make more yeses in our life that are calmly said yes to?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that feels like flow versus a challenge. Because if you feel challenged when you're saying yes, that typically means that's right there, that's a warning to self. This isn't in alignment with me right now for whatever reason. In natural mysticism, we call it that stretch and challenge. And so I always see that that's that rubber band. You're being pulled taut, you're being pulled back to be able to project forward. But in that stretch, you're all about seeing the different stages of yourself. Like you're talking about like getting each shadow, and you're doing it in phases, not like all at once, because it would be too much, right? Too much. So it is taking it one step at a time. It's giving yourself permission to be open to it and at the same time rest from it. Doesn't mean you're full-fledged with it. Sometimes you can you can do it in parts, it doesn't have to be all I'm in shadow for the next however many months. Nope. Tell your guides too. I need a break. It's I need to slow down communicate, slow it down. Yes. Yeah, I'm only available during this time.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And giving it that time. I think that's why a lot of people fill in their calendar so much because they don't want to give any of it any time. If they know that if they get quiet, so much stuff is going to be rushing forward. And this is the difference between battling your demons and doing shadow work, right? But it's that overwhelming pressure of everything coming at you at once feels like now I'm fighting demons versus I know I have created a safe space. I have my a container for myself, I have a time frame, I know what my boundaries are, I have my spirit team with me, I have a ritual in place, I have these things so that as things come to the surface, they're gonna bubble up slowly and not all at once.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think you have your whole toolbox ready and prepared to do the work. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's why I love Soul Rising so much, is because that's what we're doing. We're like, let's take it one baby step at a time. You know, it's like people come in and they're like, I have all of these walls that I need to break down. And it's like, well, it's your choice if you want to take a bulldozer and knock over the whole wall, or if you want to take a brick off at a time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And what's gonna be most in alignment and beneficial for you. And you have the free will to decide how you're going to handle your wall, if that's the imagery and metaphor you want to use. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It's so important. And with soul rising, with you know, the masterclasses that we offer here, with our own personal journeys that we do, it really is how do you want to hit that wall? How do you want to embrace it? Is it one brick at a time? Is it the whole wall? Are you taking half of it down so you can see above the, you know, above the wall, get some new vision? However, we want to embrace it, it's really up to us. And nobody can do it for us. We all have to do it for ourselves, but you can do it within a safe container, and you can do it with creating your own, um, like we were talking about, setting everything up, asking for the support. It's all good. Right. But we have to start somewhere, otherwise, it really can chew you up. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And I think that's where it's like, please keep in mind it is okay to ask for help. Like if you need mentorship, if you need to get jump on a call and figure out what programs to be offer that might be in alignment for you, like know that there are is support out there and going which which route is going to be best for you. Like, I currently have um clients that are like, I'm doing this for me, myself, and I. I don't want to be a part of a group experience. And I'm like, cool, right? Like, if that's where you're at and you know that you want to take the time to go that approach, I'm all for it. I love those types of clients. And I absolutely love our group programs and I love doing one-off sessions. Like, I love all of it because I feel like it's a place and space that I hold well, right? Like I love holding containers for others to find their place of alignment. What needs to be shed, what needs to be let go of? How do we want to get there? We have so many tools and techniques to help you get into that flow state. And is it a one and done session? Maybe. Does it take 10? Maybe. Does it take a year? Maybe. Like there's no, there's no black and white rule. And those that pitch that out there in the world, like, here's your five steps to spiritual enlightenment.

SPEAKER_00:

I call bullshit. I'm calling bullshit. I call bullshit.

SPEAKER_03:

There is no cookie cutter anything. No, there's not. Everyone's path is going to be uniquely yours. And we want to support you in finding whatever path that looks like for you and supporting you through it. And I think that's why I just love, love, love what we do and how we do it here because we give permission to our students. It's like, if you want to call on Jesus, call on Jesus. Like, go for it. If that fills you up, awesome. You want to go to a Buddhist temple and meditate once a week, awesome. Do that. If you want, like, we have so much permission included in how we offer things at Moon Rising, that it's like, here's some more tools. Use the ones that feel good to you. There is no cookie cutter. You have to do it this way.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so as we're wrapping it up, like also just as a gentle reminder, as you're moving further into fall, more into winter, give yourself that break. Go ahead and go within your own internal den, your own internal cave, and ask yourself, what do I need now that's gonna help serve me? That's it.

SPEAKER_02:

Embrace it, embody it. Every day. What can I do today? What can I say yes to?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, just for today, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Just for today.

SPEAKER_03:

We love that you show up. We love that you're doing the work. We love that you consistently listen and be available for what's in alignment for you. So thank you all for listening so much. And until next time, have a wonderful rest of your week. Take care.

SPEAKER_00:

Love you all. Bye.

SPEAKER_03:

Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom Rising Podcast is sponsored by Moonrising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Moonrising Institute, or visit our website, Moonrising Institute.com. Once again, thanks for sharing space with us today. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.