Wisdom Rising

When Pain Becomes a Messenger with Medical Intuitive Lauren Sietzema

• Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa • Season 4 • Episode 10

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What if pain isn’t a problem to erase but a message asking to be heard? We sit down with medical intuitive and psychic medium Lauren Sietzema to explore how chronic pain, trauma, and nervous system patterns can transform when we choose integration over fixing. Lauren shares her journey through fibromyalgia, the moment exquisite pain became a gateway, and the practices that helped her reclaim sovereignty without abandoning sensitivity.

In this episode, we’ll explore: 

  • Moving from fibromyalgia to self-sourced sovereignty
  • Integration of shadow and light 
  • The Venn diagram as a way to interpret partnership overlap and the creation of a third thing
  • Boundaries over people-pleasing for nervous system safety
  • Ethics in psychic work and informed autonomy
  • Structured intuitive training and safe foundations
  • Empaths on equal footing with self-compassion
  • Neurodivergence, sensitivity, and grounded practice

Together we unpack the yin and yang of healing: light without shadow is stasis; shadow without light is collapse. When they hold hands, movement happens. We talk practical mechanics—the nervous system as messenger, beliefs as signals, and why attention can amplify or ease symptoms. We also get real about boundaries, people-pleasing, and the cultural habit of separation that keeps so many empaths stuck. Lauren offers a clear path for ethical intuitive development: start with the body, add emotional literacy, examine thought patterns, and stabilize beliefs before reaching for high-voltage spiritual states.

Then we move into discussion on relationships that become the catalyst. Two whole people can meet in an overlap that creates a “third thing”—a shared field where growth accelerates without self-abandonment. We discuss how to protect that space, spot projections, and honor autonomy so healing doesn’t turn into dependency. If you’re neurodivergent or highly sensitive, you’ll find grounded practices that respect both science and spirit, bridging somatics with intuition in a way that’s safe, ethical, and sustainable.

Come for the insights on chronic pain and medical intuition; stay for the blueprint on sovereignty, ethics, and community. If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review telling us one boundary you’re ready to honor this week. Your voice helps others find the courage to integrate, not separate.

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Renee and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome to Wisdom Rising. I am your host, Christine Renee, and we have a wonderful guest on, Lauren Sitzma, who is joining us as a medical intuitive to share with us her journey through fibromyalgia and really understanding what it's like to move through panic and understand pain from a metaphysical point of view, through parts integration, understanding the yin-yang of energy, removing the idea that separation exists and really taking ownership of your internal experience. We also get into things like how does interacting with others and energies coming together in partnership expedite our growth process. So I hope that you are sticking around for this episode. It's a really interesting one. I really enjoyed talking with Lauren. And know that if you would like to know any more information about working with Lauren, do check out those show notes for all of the links there. And I hope you enjoy this episode. Well, welcome back to Wisdom Rising. I am here with Lauren Sitzma as our guest for the show today, who is a psychic medium and a medical intuitive and teacher. And we share space at the Bozeman Spiritual Society. And so I wanted to have her come on. I haven't really heard your story as of yet. I know you're fairly new to town, and I have seen you as a medical intuitive for my own stuff. And I was like, I just want to know more about your story, what brings you to where you are today, what you offer. I want to know all of the things. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me. It is such an honor. Um, Christine, I had the honor of being at one of your red tent ceremonies, and it was incredible. And um it was at that point, like I knew like that was the space that I needed to be in. I'm like totally a person where it's like a beautiful balance between, you know, soft and hard, you know, boss lady as well as we allow things to flow and creativity to happen within structure. Right. So I really resonated with that. So I'm like, yes, this is the community that I've been looking for. Um, as you can tell, accent, I come from Australia. Um, some people say New Zealand or England, it doesn't really matter, it's fine. But um uh coming to Bozeman, uh, we were originally in Billings and we moved to Bozeman, and it felt like it was like the perfect space for uh my now husband. Um, he was in Australia in the end of 2023, and we met and we met of all things uh beach volleyball because why not? It's Australia. Absolutely love that. How else do you meet? Um, so we uh really hit it off, and it was beautiful and scary. Beautiful and scary because we had to do long distance, he had to come back here, I had to go back and forth and you know, disassemble life in Australia, reassemble life here, go through all those stresses of unknowns and not knowing um how things were necessarily going to unfold, but also having to hold that um all the options that were coming at us at the same time. So it was beautiful and amazing and growing, and uh we ended up getting married and because we we decided we took the plunge. We um uh we were in Billings for about a year for his work, and we traveled around. So I've been all around Montana, which is actually pretty amazing, like it's beautiful, and being able to see all of the nooks and crannies on the east and west side and up to Whitefish and up to Canada.

SPEAKER_00:

So congratulations on the marriage and that you're here and settled in. And I feel like uh you we I met you at one of our social potlucks and you were looking for a spiritual community, and I was like, you have found the right space. Like out of everywhere I've traveled in Montana, you're not gonna find it quite like Bozeman. And we're so blessed that we have the community here, and and you just dove right in. And I yeah about you, that you were there's no hesitancy. There you're like you very, very clearly you know who you are, you know what your passion is, you know what your gifts are, you know how to share them, and you just showed up fully.

SPEAKER_01:

So yay for that. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't doing it all in, like other it's it's all or nothing for me when it comes to um anything in my life, really. Uh I very much choose the choices that I make. And um it leads into kind of the work that I do as well, um, like with other people. Um, and I think like at that potluck, I was looking for one community, two like-minded people. And I think the thing that I noticed like most when I first got here, because I wasn't in Bozeman to start with, was that separation. There's a lot of separation from each other and from self. So um that's something that I think is more palpable here in the States versus Australia, even though it definitely is there as well. And there is separation between lots of different things. And um, for me, as somebody who sees things for what they are, for exactly what they are, um I can't help but you know be exactly what I am. Um and people can like it or lump it. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah. So tell me a little bit about your path, your journey, what your what your share is.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I want to kind of dive into who Lauren is and and what I bring to the Booze Society. Yeah. So um I think that uh for me and my journey, and it starts like from very young age. Um, I have been um practicing as a professional psychic medium for the last maybe 10, 11 years. And uh during that journey, it's been a huge mix of um, you know, working on my own psychological and emotional stuff because like when it comes to spiritual work, it is not just about the you know, that stuff, it's about this stuff, um, and being able to get that balance right. And so for me, it was like integrating all of the things that had happened in my life, making sense of it, uh getting peace with it, alchemizing that, integrating it. And then as I um went on, because like for me, I had a chronic illness and um there were not many options. It was fibromyalgia for anybody who suffers from an autoimmune disease. Yeah, it's one of those ambiguous, you know, broad-term diseases that doesn't have really a clear place, but it usually comes with trauma, or it usually comes from your nervous system and doesn't it kind of jump around?

SPEAKER_00:

Everyone I've worked with with fibromyalgia, it's been like it's in my shoulder, now it's in my stomach, now it's in my system all over everywhere, everywhere.

SPEAKER_01:

And for me, like it's been a mixture of you know, uh in integrating like just like uh everybody of all shapes and siders, genders and um people on the spectrum is a really important thing to me. So the queer community is very important to me. Um, and just full acceptance. And I think the most important thing is that my external world needs to match my internal world, and I want other people to feel the same. Um, and that's the work that I do to recognize the parts of ourselves that um are not being fully uh recognized, understood, or you know, accepted into, you know, the whole. And uh I started to notice that with the medical intuitivence coming in, I'm a person that really understands um pain and the complex nuances of pain and the interplay of different emotions and feelings and being able to articulate and express them and validate them for other people when they didn't know how to speak for themselves.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit because I'm I'm curious about pain because so many are experiencing chronic pain. Yeah. And, you know, there's oftentimes this psychological piece to it. Yeah. And also, you know, where do people get stuck in the cycle of pain or victimhood? And how do you break out of that? I'd let love to know what your experiences personally and and with your clientele. Like what do you think about pain?

SPEAKER_01:

So for me, you know, um, I for about 25 years, I was experiencing pain to a certain extent. And for me, it was about um a lot of pain that can be manifested, you know, starts in our nervous system. And the nervous system is like the physical tree, let's say, that stretches out amongst the rest of our body. And the thoughts that we have send information to those parts of our body, and depending on what those thoughts are, your body's going to receive it and it will manifest it. So for people who fixate on certain pain or types of pain or um the energy of that, so an energy of lack could be no energy whatsoever in all the ways and forms in which you notice that you do not have energy within your body, within your money, within your relationships, right? No give or take, etc. And for me, um, as a practitioner, I was able to identify the thing that usually like a belief system that they are got on repeat in their head, which is like, you know, a protection mechanism that the body does to stop us from dying. So I recognize those belief systems that were put there, not by themselves, but by from something outside of themselves.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'm that's sort of leading towards um, for me in my journey, what brought me to America specifically, and how that has led to me being able to integrate all parts of myself to accept them as, you know, there is no good or bad here. So if we think about the yin and yang, black can be good, black can be bad, white can be good, why can be bad. It depends on the context and um what it is playing off, just like yin and yang.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I find this conversation really interesting. And I feel like it's coming up more and more as you know, light workers have shifted away from healing language, yeah, because it's not necessarily about removing the pain or removing the brokenness, it's about integrating the whole self, it's all of it.

SPEAKER_01:

All is good as long as it is. Yeah. As long as we recognize that's where we are and that's where we're at. And for me as a practitioner, what's really important for me to be able to read people is I know where I am, I know what my body feels like, I know what my pain feels like, what my particles feel like. So if anything drops in that's different, it's something else or somebody else. And I know that for sure. So yeah, like I help people piece together the parts of themselves that they think are broken and show them that it's all beautiful, it all has meaning and it all is it's all on the same playing field.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I think culturally we push away so much on pain. You know, our medical system is set up to say pain is bad. Yes. Right. And so we're we're constantly programmed to do whatever you can to get rid of the pain. The pain is the bad thing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And my partner was even mentioning this about like the ideology of America is to focus on the bad rather than identify where the good is and put our focus into that. And it's almost as if everybody is looking at each other and how are you different from me? And that creates separation. And in doing so, we are also separating from ourselves because there's parts of ourselves that we are also rejecting by doing that. So everybody is separate and nobody is whole.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my gosh. Like, yeah, yes, that makes sense. Yeah, right. So recognizing when we can shift and pivot over to recognizing the areas that are going well. Yes. How does that how does that reflect it in your life with the actual pain? Do you notice that the suffering feels less?

SPEAKER_01:

So initially it was worse. It got so worse. And for me, I have been preparing, and I think the most important thing that I convey with any and any single client is are you willing to objectively and introspectively take ownership over what is yours? It may be 1% and it's 99% them, but you cannot control anything external to you, nor should you. So you can only control you, how you feel, and where you shift. So when you are interacting with somebody, if they make you step away from yourself, you let them know and you identify it, you say that this is what I need, this is where I am. And either we step into the ring together and share space and create something more than the sum of our parts, which um kind of like, you know, with these where you have two circles that interlock the space in between, that is the addition that we can make when we merge with someone, you know? And the space in between is where you share um common values, common understanding, common interests, but you're 100% yourself in that overlap, right? You don't step away from yourself, you don't merge with each other in order to become one another because you lose yourself. So um, this is where shadow work comes into it, or dark night of the soul, if people have, you know, understand that concept. It's where we're able to look at dark and light. Think the hermit going through, you know, his little cabin has that little piece of light. It's like, I'm not sure where I'm going, I don't know how this is going to turn out, but I know who I am, and I am using this to guide me on where I need to go. And you're able to see your shadow self, the victim, the the one that's been hurt, the one that's holding on to everything, the belief systems that you deserve it, that you're gonna die, all of those things. Right. And you hold its hand and you go, you be exactly what you are, and I'm going to be exactly what I am: dark, light, male, female, hard, soft, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same in the end. But it is two sides of the same coin of love, and on their own, they are unable to shift from where they are. But if they hold hands and they stay exactly as they are, they can uh cross the bridge or they make a hole.

SPEAKER_00:

It's interesting because I feel like also oftentimes in the spiritual communities, it's so much like you're gonna do it on your own. This is completely a self-journey. And I feel like once again, like the the culture of the spiritual community is pivoting and shifting and going, look at how you can recognize yourself within partnership with someone else. Yes, and recognize where the overlap is and how you are mirroring each other and what where the shadows are to alchemize those parts. That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

Because love and light, whatever you want to call it, the light aspect of ourselves cannot move from where it is if it sits where it is, it's in peace. It can only be what it is. So light on its own is just peace, but it is stagnant, it's stasis, it doesn't move, it doesn't create anything, it doesn't manifest anything. What do you do with this light? It's just for you, and you can't share it, right? So bring along fear, bring along shadow, bring it like it's it's down here, right? And then you interact together. And if you bring love to that and fear trusts you, and you trust fear to trust you, it's a balance, right? Suddenly you have created healing.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. It's kind of like finding those growth edges that you can't find on your own. Right. I remember after I got a divorce, I spent a year alone. Yeah, like intentionally, like, okay, I'm gonna, and then by the end of the year, it's like, all right, I'm healed. Yeah, yeah, I'm all good until you're in a relationship, and then shit hits the peon.

SPEAKER_01:

And right, it brings up the stuff that you could not have created on your own because it's in the crossover that you create and manifest or co-create with somebody the other thing. It's the, you know, yin and yang, and then the third, the relationship, the triad.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That you create. It's fascinating. And I love this work because, you know, I think I've built my a lot of my business and my classes around individual work. Yeah. And it can only go so far. Right. And now that I'm doing a little bit of tantra classes and intimacy work, it's like, oh yes, and notice. Oh, yes, and notice when we come together, even if you're not in a romantic partnership, but you're still doing partnered work, any relationship, any relationship, it's like that's where things get juicy.

SPEAKER_01:

It's where, because the thing is, I kind of see it as. So my partner and I do have like really clear crossover. We both like volleyball, we both enjoy DD, we both enjoy board games. But there's certain, you know, board games or video games that I don't really necessarily resonate with, right? But in the crossover, I am able to mix with him and he is touching what um what he is interested in. So suddenly something that I would not have been interested in on my own, I am interested through going through to the path of where of least resistance to where it is, and it's easier to reach for because I'm sharing it with somebody else through their love and passion for it. And I find what is beautiful within that. That still keeps me who I am. I'm not gonna step out of myself to step into their box, you know, but I am going to go. These are the aspects of what you're giving me that is 100% me. And that is where I will participate in that area. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think that's where you have to first kind of know what your boundaries are.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00:

You have to know who you are, who you identify as, and get have that clarity of these are my passions, these are my interests, this is what lights me the fuck up. Yeah. So that you know when you're rubbing up against someone else and going, they're what it feels like dragging you along to events and things going, this isn't actually something I want to participate in. Yeah. This isn't what I want to do, and why am I doing it? Because I'm trying to fill their void. The void, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

So the void and the abyss is something that um has been brought up a lot. And it's something that comes, I didn't know this at the time, but like I think it's in Kabbalah within the tree of life, and you know, yin and yang. The I'm very into quantum physics myself, so matter and antimatter, but both are matter, both are not matter. So it's kind of one of those things where um just because it's a zero doesn't mean it's doesn't have a value. So um for me, I was faced with every single thing that was manifested in my life about who I am and the pain that came along with that, that I was holding in my nervous system. And I had a decision to make, like after going through all of that stress and particularly like medical trauma and people not believing me, and you know, me showing up as who I am and telling the truth and not being seen for what that is, because people were just projecting their own stuff onto me rather than seeing me as a separate entity, right? So, and this is a common, you know, thing that happens to a lot of uh everybody, not just women. And um for me, it's something that really hits home for me, that justice that um nobody deserves that, um, being able to be the voice, to be able to be the strength, etc. And I'd learnt to savagely love myself, but this was the time where it's like, well, do you want to not just savagely love yourself, but would you like to integrate all the dark parts of you? And would you like to alchemize and not just be black and white and dark and light? Would you like to just be all? Right, yeah, the whole. Um, and uh I had a surgery while I was over here and it activated my nervous system to a million, and I can only describe the situation is it turned my I was already at like you know eight out of ten pain or every day. It turned it into what I can only describe as exquisite or divine pain. Where it was like I had to step out of my physical body and I no longer could see, hear, or talk. And it was like full looking into the abyss, seeing the aspect of myself that was holding all of that, you know, darkness as being mine, my fault. I'm the black dot on the white screen, right? Or I'm the white victim that is um stuck with like all this darkness around me, drowning in it, you know. So I decided I'm going to allow you to exist exactly as you are, because the other part of me had fought so hard for like, you know, its existence that it's like it's okay. I got you. Trust me that I got you. I know that I can trust you to trust me, and that's all I need to do. I'm not gonna step away from light side of me, I guess, the light aspect of me that was like I I am healthy, I I do want to live, I want this so badly that I am going to do both. I'm gonna fight for the both of us, just trust me, and that's what I did. I uh told my guides or the powers that be, the void, the abyss, and I said, give it to me now. And it was like holding hands with myself and realizing that by totally trusting my entire being, I was able to transcend my physical body.

SPEAKER_00:

It has a lot of feelings of surrender in it, right? But there it's not just surrender, it's yeah, it's actually so much more than that. Because not only are you saying I want to embrace all of who I am, be what I am, be what I am, exactly as I am. There is nothing fixed, there's nothing broken. There's nothing broken here.

SPEAKER_01:

I just am. It just is, and just like being at peace with like being able to be with yourself and be at peace, and you know how I said about like two interactions that you yourself can actually create that with aspects of yourself, but being with a person and you coming together, you create the third thing, right? Yeah, so how does that look in your relationship? So for me and my partner, it was really interesting because he he's very psychic himself, like he's um got so many of those um aspects that I have that he's coming from a place of I guess the void, like uh it's like it's a representation of uh society in general, not just in America, but the world. And it's like this blindness, and I'm gonna say it's unawareness. He was just not aware of who he is and who everyone else is, and um, to be aware of when we're stepping outside of ourselves and doing things because it's what we've been told to do rather than what it's what we want to do.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. It almost is as if this is the way the world is kind of waking up right now, is recognizing that maybe there isn't anything actually wrong with us.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And as we are balancing up against other people's energy of their awareness of where who they are, whether they're still kind of sleeping and not fully integrated yet, yeah. And projections and mirroring and all those things versus I know who I am, I know what my parts are. I'm trying I'm trying to accept and love all of who I am. Yeah. And all of the pain and this, you know, what I think that's kind of a projection in of itself, what suffering is, right? I uh it's integrate or separate.

SPEAKER_01:

Those are your choices. Integrate it or you can get out of here. Like, I will not tolerate anyone who comes into my life, says that they're one thing, but energetically they're showing up in a different way. And I'm like, it's okay to be you, it's okay to want what you want, it's okay to want the relationship that you want. Any rule goes, and everyone gets to exist exactly as they are, even if I don't agree, just don't stop me from being the exact thing I want to be, either. So if somebody tries to pull me out of who I am to come be in their box or be in their circle or integrate with them, when I'm like, no, that's not who I am. You're you're making me step out of myself. That is separation and that is pain.

SPEAKER_00:

I I love that. I think that's where we're waking up to, right? And so often we have these stories of people pleasing, these stories of like, I'm in fight or flight, my nervous system is dysregulated, I know how to font, make sure everything else is happy. Why are you doing that?

SPEAKER_01:

A little bit take ownership over the stuff that you have control over. And I think the thing that might it it it frustrates me a little bit, but not so much unless people give me crap about it. Um, so if I bring it up and they give me resistance, I'm like, well, you you came for me for help, so I'm gonna push you a little harder. So if somebody says to me, this person's doing this and this person's doing that, and this and that, and whatever, and I'm like, I'm sorry, are we in control of it the environment around us and the people? Are they in control of your actions? No, we're in control of ourselves and we get to decide who we are and whether what the behavior you're seeing is what you're willing to put up with. And if you decide that that's not what you want, if you don't shift, you are going to cause yourself emotional pain, which is going to translate into eventually tummy pain, which eventually turns into IBS, which eventually turns into all of these like escalating things. And this is not to, you know, discount true things that are like maladens. Adaptins in the body, and a broken leg is a broken leg, but it does make us aware of where we're walking.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, you know, right, right. And one of my favorite free phrases is I'm not available for that. You know, like it's just I don't have the energy for that today. That's not in my that's not I'm just not that doesn't work for me. Right. You know, and I think if people could just start saying, like, I'm worthy to have my own boundaries. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You get to be what you want to be, yeah. You know, and I think uh yeah, the frustration starts to be is like, and where people are like, why are they behaving like this? Why are they doing this? Why aren't they like me? And I'm like, Well, like, so then go be with somebody who's like you and stop forcing yourself on someone who is not willing to integrate with you and to build something bigger than what they are and shift for you, right? And I think that's that growth factor, yeah. Or shift for themselves, like probably a better thing, as in like they show up as them, you show up as you, you look at each other and you go, hmm, do I want to step into the ring with you? No, I don't want to. So I'm going to be very respectful and I'm gonna step away from you rather than wasting both of our times.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And and letting it be okay. Yeah. Like I think there's so much of a cultural like thing of like we have to be nice and accept everyone and play nice, and there's a do things we don't want to do for people pleasing or making other people feel better, but ultimately that hurts people.

SPEAKER_01:

If you care about them, if you're not showing up and telling them who you are, you're hurting them on some level because you're indicating that their behavior is okay, and them showing up as them is okay. And you underneath it, you're resenting it and you're gonna deflect that because you've stepped away from yourself and you're projecting your own pain on them, and they are gonna feel that you don't like them, and then they're gonna feel that they don't like themselves. Yeah. So, how are you feeling these days? I like now that we're kind of like fully settled and we've got like um passport and green card all sorted, it feels like the moment that I understood why I'm here, why this happened, that if I was, I would have been fine by myself, you know, I would have been okay. I would have had a pretty happy life, but I would have been in stasis. And I wouldn't have been able to, you know, reach further. And I what I realized like my partner is for me, is that he is like the the hermit, somebody who didn't necessarily see the things that I can. And I am able to shine light on the things that need to be brought attention to, and he can decide whether he moves towards it or not. And he's the one that gets to like shift me. He gets to be that masculine, right? The direction. I get to decide like the oh the overall, like what's the meaning of all and to support create sacred space. But he gets to pick me up and take me there and look after my body while I'm channeling, you know? Like he takes care of home when I can soar to anywhere. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, I'm really happy for you. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, it's it's amazing. And I think like the more I am me, the more he becomes himself, and the the like more amazing things we get to like create with each other. I love that piece.

SPEAKER_00:

Ugh. Because I think that's where you know true supportive romantic relationships, that's that's to me the aftermore. Yeah, you're bringing not only out the best in each other, but you're also bringing growing and stretching and that needs your attention.

SPEAKER_01:

And it goes, do you like this still? Does this work for you still? Are you willing to face it and then integrate it and go beyond it to create the third thing that's bigger than the fear and the love together to create healing and growth? So, and and you know, that's that's true alchemy, and that's what I'm all about. And I think for for people who come to me, if you I mostly do um like teaching other budding psychics or people who are wanting to be light workers themselves, it matters so much to me that it comes from such a genuine and ethical place. And I think that's the one thing that's missing in Australia as well as here. Like I'm I'm running like a psychic school, yeah, like a structured way that really helps support people like myself who didn't really know what to do with the the gifts that they had, or um, what do you do? Where do you start? What what skill set? And for me, like I think I've gotten myself to a place where I can see from person to person because there is no, you know, one size fits all when it comes to your own development. And again, that's stepping outside of self. So for me, it's like, how can I help you integrate all of your parts so you truly know who you are? And once you know that, then the decisions of your direction just flows out of you, and that's what I do. Like, I want your external world to match the true version of your internal world so you can help transform other people, right?

SPEAKER_00:

It's like your alignment helps replicate it for others.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. For them to have a standing point to go, do I want to step away from this? Do I want to go towards this? Do I want to block this? Yeah. And that's it. I just stay exactly where I am, holding high vibration, and you get to decide what you do with that. I will not make you do anything. It's it's all you.

SPEAKER_00:

I just provide the sacred space. Well, I think this is such a really interesting conversation when it comes to psychic gifts specifically. Like you can't waver in who you are while you channel. That's right, right? And so the more one can come to a place of I know who I am, there's clarity there, yes, then it's so much easier to bring that channeled wisdom energy.

SPEAKER_01:

It's neutral, it's like the the quickest way from point A to point B, a straight line. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

But when you have an individual who's wavering and trying to pick up their spiritual, that's right. It's kind of like coming in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And of and when fear comes in as well, because like a lot of like new um people who are like, oh, I I can see people who have passed, but I'm scared, and I'm just like, hey, like there is no scary in this, it all is. So, like, what where's this fear coming from? It's not externally. Who told you that? Where did that come from? And that's what I get to like, where is the program that you picked up in this life that's keeping you from being happy? And how can you fix it? Type of thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it was really interesting. Yesterday I had a client and we it was um a student who was doing private shamanic lessons with me, and we got on the topic of ghosts and other entities and all these things. And she's like, at the end of her little lesson, she was like, You seem really comfortable and confident. Like, can other people learn how to do this? I'm like, absolutely, yeah, but you have to, it was that fear factor, right?

SPEAKER_01:

You know, like it's projected onto us the bad aspects of it. Anything different is scary, and so instead of like facing that internally, we're gonna make it your fault.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And I think the more you go into that shadow work, the so much easier to look in the dark closet. Yeah. I mean, like physically opening a closet where you're like, there's some heavy negative energy in here. Yeah, it's no longer scary because you've already looked at your own.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. So, yeah, for for me, it's just about people taking ownership over their own stuff that belongs to them and deciding whether they want to stay where they are, yeah, or do they want to shift because it's who they want to be, not because someone's making them change, not because you're gonna be forced to change or you think you should, but because you know that's closer or you're recalibrating to who you are. And when people are in chaos, like it's like all these crazy things are happening to me. I'm like, wonderful. That's that's great awareness that you're not where you're meant to be. Are you going to shift until it feels like you when you move towards yourself and your boundaries and where you know your world is? And once you feel that, you don't even need to make decisions. You're just on it. It's you're there, right already connected with the version of yourself energetically, because, like, you know, in the grand scheme of things, we are all energy and in the end, and we're just lining up with the version of ourselves that already has the thing that we want. So why we may as well enjoy it emotionally now, and then the physical stuff will catch up.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it comes back to this sovereignty, free agency, autonomy, right? When we have those things, yes, and we are so solid in that, yeah, then that's where the flow comes. I have the right to choose, and so do you, and that's okay. So right, I'm like, I'm like, oh like repeating that, right? Like it's when you have the freedom to choose, it's you need to recognize you have the freedom to choose.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a choice. Nobody's make obviously there are exceptions, but for the most part, nobody's making you do anything. And once you realize that you have that power to feel however way you wish about any experience, you literally change your past and you start manifesting a different um present and future. Yeah, like it just transcends that completely. And suddenly you've just alchemized all these unhealed parts of yourself from your childhood, and you're like, oh my god, I'm literally not the same person that would have made those choices the year before. And you're like, why do I keep choosing the same person, etc.? It's like because you weren't paying attention, you weren't paying. So we turned up the volume until it was uncomfortable enough because you said you didn't like it. Are you gonna stay true to yourself? So spirit will turn that crap up and they will they'll make it as uncomfortable as possible until you walk through fire to alchemize and burn off the stuff that isn't you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So, what's your hot tip for people who are kind of they're they're become aware, they're they want to do this work. They want to either do it for themselves or in a professional sense. Um, I would say for themselves. Okay. Let's take that one on because I think there's a lot of people, a lot of our listeners have been in the spiritual realm. They're they might be practitioners already, but they're still struggling with their anxiety and with depression, with weight of the world, their empaths. Yeah. And to go, what is mine and what is someone else's? What's their hot tip?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think for the people who like identify as being an empath, um, I think it's important to not again, no separation of self and not to put yourself above or below anyone else. So you are on equal footing. So in the same way that you should be, you know, forever forgiving and compassionate and loving and understanding and for everyone else in your life, you are equal to them. Therefore, you must do that for you as well. So when you're giving in that way, if any at any point it makes you step away from being able to equally give that to yourself, then it you're not doing it right. That is not light work, that is not the balance. So um, that's for the empaths. Um, that is just martyr, that's just being a martyr and not blaming your external world for the reason as to the way you feel. Decide how you want to feel and then move towards the things that feel the same. And that will bring you to like-minded people. And I find neurodivergency is a very, very good example of this. So, generally, people who are neurodivergent, these people who are on the spectrum, ADHD, autism, etc., they all find each other. You're all resonating at the same vibration, your nervous systems are insane, and you're ex you're bringing in so much information. So I'm under the illusion, like like the assumption that anyone who's neurodivergent is automatically, you know, a psychic of some kind. Yeah, you're just, you know, you're in both worlds. You're just operating in the non-physical and the physical. And um, I really care about the physical and the non-physical and how they are balanced. And I think that's where most people go wrong. They stay right in the non-physical way too much, and they don't look after their physical body, which is you know, the yin and the yang balance. And that is the part that I care about the brain, the biology. These are not like so spirituality and science and psychology, biology, um, philosophy are not mutually exclusive. They are all equal and all one thing. And it's just something that we don't really fully understand how they interrelate with one another because they are separated. Yeah, you know, and and part of that is like integrating these like concepts, they've just got different names. We can call it quantum theory, metaphysics, um, Reiki, whatever you want to call it. It's just a different name that we've given it, but it's all the same energy, right? Energy is energy, is energy. I see it all exactly. So for anybody who in Bozeman or anybody who is watching this right now, if it's something like I feel different and separated and judged for it, and I have no community, I'm the person for you. I will accept you if you show up exactly as you are, and with like, you know, an open heart, open mind, and willing to do the work for yourself. Not for me. It's getting in there and going, I'm working hard and you know, investing in myself to change. And those are my clients. Those are the people that I'm like, oh, I noticed I did this yesterday, and I think it's because of this. So I'm gonna do this. And I'm like, I didn't tell you to do that. Right. But you just witnessed me and you took it and you decided what you wanted to do. It thought that's that's the person that is going to transform their lives and then have the possibility to like manifest and transform for others as well. And that's what gets me so excited is people are like, why am I doing this? And how can I be a better version of myself?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I love it. So if someone wanted to work with you, how would they get a hold of you?

SPEAKER_01:

So um I am working with the um Bozeman Spiritual Society with the lovely Christine now, and um, we do lots of social gatherings. We do have one on the 29th, so not this Saturday, next Saturday. And um I think we're gonna have not just myself doing some demonstrations. It is a great opportunity for um everyone to get to know me personally because I've only been here for a short while. The mentorship that I've been doing. Um, so this includes like bespoke what are your goals for you personally and your intuitive development, what are the things that you want to get out of it? And I will intuitively channel the things that you need to hear to get you there. Um, and it won't always be, you know, the same stuff for each person. And I will just give you a bunch of different modalities and I'll give you as much information as possible, and you get to cherry pick the pieces where we overlap and it makes sense to you, right? So um, that is the person that I am. I am just like shining lights on the things, and you get to decide whether you like it. And I also bring other people together that makes sense and have that overlap. So it's to find community, it's to find belonging, it is to find the whole within yourself and to also find whole with other people. And by doing that, we create the third thing. And what is more beautiful than coming together and creating something with somebody? Um, and I do workshops, and so I've got the psychic school and psychic tools, and that will be a couple of times a month at the Bozeman Spiritual Society. And um, this is where we go through all the different modalities, we do the meditation work, we do the foundational work of energy work, which funnily enough is we start from the ground up, we start with our bodies, we go into our emotions, we go up a little bit higher to our thoughts and feelings and programs and relationships, then we go back further, we go to the beliefs, and then we go up. Once all that foundation is stable, that's where the ethical comes in because you can go into like a meditation group. Meditation circles, I don't really like calling it that, because it's a circle, it's closed, it's separate, and it can blow your brain before you have built, you know, the foundation, you know, the linking circles that are attached to each other. You've created that, you know, learning. So when you reach for it, you have that fortitude to take like channeling or a meditation that kind of pushes you psychically and mentally, emotionally, physically. So you don't, you know, have to go to the doctor the next day because you've got pain in your back randomly. So for me, it matters that people are doing it safely. Yeah. And this is like a practition that doesn't really have that much governance, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and I think that's the same thing in the Reiki world. There's not a lot of governance, there's not a lot of governance in the shamanic world. And this that was one of the first things I saw when I was reading your bio is this emphasis on ethics. Yeah. And, you know, I'm I'm constantly also drawn to those who have ethical standards and can share about those and what they mean to them because it's not talked about enough.

SPEAKER_01:

It's just all about like, oh, it's all about the positivity and the light and whatever, without actually considering that the person in front of you might actually be dealing with uh true scary problems. And when people come to psychics in particular, sometimes you know what I was talking about, not having a very good sense of self. Right. And externalizing your decisions to a psychic and deciding that everything that they say is your decisions. That is a scary place to be when someone gives over their autonomy and their sovereignty to me. And I don't want another psychic to ever do that to anybody, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my goodness, right? I think that I hear that so often. Well, I went to the psychic and she told me this, and so now it is my truth. Yes, and it's like you we don't know everything, we're not, you know, omnipotent gods, right?

SPEAKER_01:

We're amazing and we're goddesses, but we don't tell you what to do, we just exist, right? And you can decide what you do with that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's it. You get in you get to feel into is this an alignment for me?

SPEAKER_01:

This takes resonates and then and leave what it doesn't because you and I are not the same person, you are not, but we have a crossover, and that is where we are the same person.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yes, I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show, Wisdom Rising. And know that if you want to get a hold of Lauren, all of her contacts, the websites, the information is all gonna be in the show notes, so you'll be able to find it there. Yeah, and it was so great to have you. Thank you so much. This was so much fun.

SPEAKER_01:

And oh, I think you're amazing, Kristin. Oh, like honestly, like when I as soon as I met you, I'm like, yes, yes, I am in the right place. This is where I'm meant to be. It all makes sense now, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, the feeling was mutual. It's like this girl has got to be a part of Bozeman Spiritual Society because I like her vibe and she's solid. So lovely. Thanks everyone for listening. Thank you for taking the time out of your day. Be sure to like, follow, comment, share all of the things. Subscribe. We really appreciate your support. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom Rising Podcast is sponsored by Moonrising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Moonrising Institute, or visit our website, Moonrising Institute.com. Once again, thanks for sharing space with us today. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.