What If Suffering Is A Choice You Can Outgrow?

Suffering can be loud, but it’s often just repetitive, a thought you can’t stop replaying or a body response that keeps reacting like the past is still happening. We sit down and get honest about how we “subscribe” to our own suffering through identity, comparison, and nervous system loops, and what it actually takes to step out of that pattern with radical responsibility. If you’ve ever felt stuck on the struggle bus, this conversation offers a grounded way to name what’s going on and start changing it.

Today we’ll explore:

• Defining suffering as mental loops and stuckness
• Noticing when pain becomes identity and comparison culture reinforces it
• Understanding how the brain and body relive the past through stress chemistry
• Separating mind healing from somatic healing and why both matter
• Using expression and integration to release stored trauma
• Working with the four bodies: mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual
• Calling power back through forgiveness, boundaries, and radical responsibility
• Reparenting shadow parts and nurturing the inner bear
• Choosing yin softness or yang strength based on what you need
• Shifting frequency through self-care, community, nature, and being witnessed

We also share why loneliness can show up during growth, how to choose environments that “vibrate up,” and why being witnessed is medicine. If you’re drawn to energy healing, we mention upcoming ways to go deeper, including Reiki Level One training and She Who Rises, a 3-Month Journey of Feminine Awakening, Energy Mastery & Embodied Power focused on chakras, aura, psychic protection, and energetic sovereignty. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs a reset, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

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Transcript

Welcome And Upcoming Offerings

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moonrising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Renee and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising. I'm your host, Christine Renee. And then today I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa as we dive into the conversation around suffering, how we are subscribing to our own suffering and how do we really shift out of that struggle bus so that we can take radical responsibility for our energy, for our life, and for our adherence to our desired reality. So we want to invite you into the conversation. Know that if you are interested in learning some supportive tools, I will be offering a Reiki level one training online for the first time in I don't know how long to our community on May 8th and 15th. This is a four-hour online class with four hours of pre-recorded content for you so that you can learn the foundation of energy healing and really have that be applicable to your life. So this is unique in the fact that I bring with me over 20 years of experiences, two pilgrimages to Japan, and really have had my full adult life studying Reiki. And so I want to offer this training for you, our upcoming Reiki Level One class. And also I'm in the process of developing a three-month group coaching program called She Who Rises. And this will be a supportive group so that we can reflect as women, understanding what is going on internally through our energy systems, our chakra systems, our inner flute, that Kundalini rising energy, as well as our energy out into our auric field and really understanding our energetic attachments, psychic protection, and how we can create from the space with radical responsibility. So if you're ready to take next steps in this movement forward of out of our suffering and into our highest version of ourselves, I invite you to watch for more information to come. And I hope to see you there. Enjoy the conversation. Welcome, welcome to our whispers of wisdom this Monday morning. We are having a conversation today on suffering. How do we end our own suffering? How do we get off that struggle bus? How do we recognize that we are creating our own suffering and really like we're focusing on the how. And so um I'm really looking forward to this conversation. I feel like I jumped on a struggle bus like two months ago, and I finally like Chantel texted me her topic suggestion. I was like, yeah, that's that's perfect because I just got off. Like I just, I just exited that struggle bus.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

So it is alive and well in me. And knowing that our own struggles and our own sufferings is definitely something we can work through. It's bringing that self-awareness to what is our attachment to it. Why are we feeling attached to whatever the situation was? And so hopefully through this conversation, you're gonna have this sense of awareness at the end of it where you can release your own attachments to any suffering that you have experienced in your life, current or past.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like, you know, there's this idea of like, what is suffering? What causes suffering? Like, what is that? And I think of the an easy explanation of like, let's just get to the definition is anytime that you are it's almost, it feels like you're almost frozen in your mindscape on the same thing again and again. That can be suffering. It can be suffering in the physical body with physical pain. It could be um suffering can also be something that you're you just don't feel like you're able to move forward. That's what it feels like to me. What are what's some additional uh definitions that you want to throw in there, Chantel?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Definitely the the sense of feeling stuck, of feeling broken, of feeling victimized. I think that there's a lot of that that comes into the idea of what suffering is and how do we move through it, right? So when we're in the space of suffering, it's a lot of times it's hard to see yourself out of it. Like, how do you get through suffering when somebody has hurt you? When even if you're you feel betrayed by your own body, right? So if you're you're tired, if you're in pain and you're you're in that sense of suffering within the body, it's really hard to see yourself as a healed person, right? And so this is where we this is where we have to change our mindset because the mind will resonate with whatever like the mind, the body will resonate with where the mind puts you, is what I'm trying to say. So it's like whatever we think and feel, if we feel like we are in suffering, the body is going to agree with you. Yes, we are in suffering, yes, we are ill, yes, we are sick, yes, this, this, and that. Our emotions, the same thing. And so I think a lot of it I feel is us getting out of the mindscape, like you were saying, getting out of that mindset of I am suffering. And a lot of people feel like they've gone through so much in life that they just are in a life of suffering, but it really isn't. If we can look at it as lessons and what are we learning from them, a lot of times that can help us to feel empowered when the lesson has been learned and we're moving forward from it. Yeah, I can see that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah, it's interesting that, you know, um so often we hear about suffering in the in the Buddhist. I don't know what that I don't want to call that like the scope, like the scope of what Buddhism is. And you know, spending time in Japan, it's kind of like recognizing the five senses and and it's a constant denial of them, right? Like that your senses can lead to suffering. Um, the the what you smell, what you see, what you can taste, what you can touch, like all these things can lead to suffering. And so, how can you find a place inside that is peaceful? And I've always kind of resisted that. Like I don't necessarily agree that being alive in this world necessarily means that we're gonna suffer because the senses also bring us so much pleasure and bliss and ecstasy. It's not um so it's it's this interesting idea of what what is suffering and and how do we how do we recognize it and stop it? And I think understanding the lesson of it is is one avenue of like really understanding the story, why the story is there and and how the story serves us, and then how do we freaking let it go? Right? Is that letting it go to adhere to the version of you that you want to be in?

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Yeah, it's it's not identifying yourself through your suffering. Right? It's reframing your thoughts about what it is, because I think with especially in society, is people tend to compare each other's suffering, like, oh, my suffering trumps your suffering, right? Like we we go through this comparison of well, you're I've gone more gone through more than you have, kind of thing. Instead, we should be able to celebrate our wins together. But I think there's this aspect of society where we don't do that because if you start sharing your wins, your successes, the things you're excited about, then it's almost like you're ego-based. But if you talk about your suffering, that's something that humanity can really relate to. And so now you have something that like that thread, that cord that says, Well, you're like me and I'm like you. We're not trying to outdo each other. But at the same time, you're holding on to the suffering in your life, and your our minds don't understand that what happened in the past is not currently happening when we're in that that mental loop of reliving the pain, the suffering over and over again. Our brain is literally dumping all the cortisol in our you know, um, chemicals, it's our inflammation starts up, the body responds because we're in that loop of suffering. And so the body is going to respond to it as if it's happening right now, even if it was 20 years ago. So when we can release the identity and release this the pain of it and see it for what it is, the brain can start to heal from it as well. And when you step out of that loop of the identity, well, I've gone through that, I've gone through this many deaths, I've gone through a divorce, my husband cheated on me, whatever it is. But what it also does is it creates space for it to happen to you again because we're not healing through it. And so we're gonna reattract the same kind of people and the same kind of lessons into our life.

Breaking The Identity Of Pain

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Yeah, and I think there's a um something to note like there's a there's this mind suffering, like the identity of what we are thinking about versus our body keeps the score, you know, our our somatic experiences also are holding the trauma. And so how do we reconcile between the two? Like, there's definitely a time and a place where you're like, okay, I understand the trauma, I understand the lessons, I'm letting that go, and my body is still freaking freaking out. The nervous system is still activated. How do we move the body into a place of release, of letting the trauma that's been stored out of the body? You know, and I think there's so there's like this two-part like we have to address the mind and we have to address the body.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

You have to bring that awareness in for sure, and be able to sit with yourself and sit with the emotion and understand what is the emotion, why is it showing up? What's it rising up for? A lot of times it's to let it go, but instead of us releasing it in the moment, we end up suppressing it and holding it back down, which then just keeps it alive within us. So it's not about fixing what we're feeling, it's about recognizing what we're feeling. It's about us being able to sit with our grief, sit with our anger, sit with, you know, our abandonment issues, what whatever we've experienced in life, but to say, no, now that's where we can start self-checking and changing our mindset, you know, that I am worthy, I am loved, I am able to have a healthy relationship, you know. And so a lot of times as we get stuck in the identity of the suffering or whatever's occurred, thinking now we can never be loved, we can never be worthy, and we can never have a healthy relationship. Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

And so it's that like recognizing the stories that we're holding and where are we holding them? It was interesting. Stop resisting it. Yeah, stop resisting it, going like it was very interesting this weekend. I did a cacao ceremony on feminine rage. Like, and I was bringing this topic forward very intentionally, knowing that um there's a lot of women who have health issues, suppressed issues that they're identifying in their victimhood. And that rage comes from suppressed, suppressed, suppress that we've been taught that way, that we're not allowed to speak up as a child, that then led us to not speaking up when sexual assaults happened, when things, the the things that have happened to us that we were weren't allowed to express ourselves in the time that it was happening. And so then the body holds it all. And it was very interesting because the women that came to this, none of it was current for them. It wasn't like they had just had trauma traumatic experiences. It was very much more like this is part of my history. I can recognize my history, I can recognize where I regret that I did this or didn't do that or whatever, whatever it was. And um not really necessarily being activated coming in, but as we share our stories, we're getting activated, right? You can feel the heat rise in the room. And it was once again, I was the whole one holding space of intentionally allowing that fire to build so that we could then move into somatic exercises where we were we were physically moving in ways to express our anger, that we were physically yelling and screaming in ways that we weren't, we didn't during when the trauma occurred. And you know, it was a small group, and I've had numerous people message me after the experience saying, Oh my god, I've never, I haven't slept so well. I woke up for the first time not feeling in despair, you know, those types of messages where the physical body really needed to have an outlet. And now it really can be like it can't really feel done until the body has an out a way of of release.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah, I mean it expresses itself. It needs to be that brings us, I think it brings us to our four bodies, especially when you talk about suffering and pain and everything. We have our mental body, our emotional, our physical, and our spiritual. And we have to bring balance in all four bodies to really feel like we are able to ascend through certain experiences in our life. So we ignore one, like the body. We can be all in our mind trying to heal that and our emotions, but if it's stored in our body and we're not moving it, that body is not going to release it. And eventually it's like those pockets of grief are going to start to suffer or it's gonna start bringing it back up to the surface, right? And so then that's like the spiritual body at its own point, then is not in balance either. And so we really have to look at all four bodies when we're talking about healing, and that one right there is a good example of bringing in that physical body to release those pockets of grief and suffering.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah. And how do we do that? How do we find uh a way of allowing that somatic process to really be able to one for this group? We had the vocalization, like we were able to engage the mind to activate the body and then have a somatic experience to like fully release and then integrate. There would like definitely need that integration piece where we're lying down in stillness, allowing the aha moments and the awarenesses and the connection with our higher self to come through and feel at peace again, right? Like there is there's a cycle of this, and then really recognizing how is our nervous system now compared to when we started, compared to the middle, right? And so there is this like, how do we honor all of these bodies? And to go, if we deny one of them, we're still gonna be in suffering.

Trauma In The Body And Somatic Release

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Yes, yeah, and and so maybe you know, not everyone thinks about it like that, like recognizing that we do have these four bodies, and suffering is a spectrum that happens across all four of them, right? So not one of them is gonna stay, say, unsuffered. No, they all will. So we have to focus on them all so that the whole body becomes healed through the process of it. So if you identify in one way but not another, that's still there within your consciousness, within your orc field. And so your energy body is gonna remember. So even if you've done all the other work, then the energy body at the end is gonna say, hey, this doesn't align anymore. This frequency doesn't match, right? So we're kind of constantly dipping down into the suffering and healing, suffering, healing. And it becomes a major yo-yo effect. And so it is like, okay, I'm gonna work through all layers of myself to do this work. And sometimes it is the somatic, sometimes it is the movement, it's the yelling, it's that physicalness. Other times it's sitting down, it's doing the journal work, it's working with elements, it's you know, sitting in meditation, it's being peaceful within yourself. Other times it's about forgiveness, it's about saying, I love myself enough to say I no longer resonate with that. And I'm not gonna let that situation have the power over me to keep me trapped and stuck in this identity of self that no longer exists. And we keep ourselves that version, a piece of that version stays alive in us and it's not even there anymore. Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

And I think this is where I think a lot of suffering actually stays, like it holds you hostage of when you are in this, it's it's this victimhood mode because we have given our power away to the situation or the the occurrence or whatever it was, and we haven't claimed our power back. And then we haven't claimed our power back. We there's soul fragments that have been strewn out, right? And so if there's someone from your past that you are energetically holding on to the memory of that occurrence with them, that there is um that makes your blood boil just thinking about it. You're giving them there, they still have the power.

unknown 18:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

And so it's there's still you're still plugged into that situation in that person. Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

And so it's recognizing that, like that is information to take with you of going, my power isn't on my own in this moment, but they still have a part of it, and the only way to get gather my my pieces back and to really sit in my sovereignty is to call my power back. And in doing so, I'm gonna have to forgive myself and the situation and this other person so it can be done.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Yes. And and you realize that a lot of it is that you've been conditioned to believe a certain identity of yourself. And can you forgive that identity? Can you forgive that part of yourself that was the victim or the saboteur, or you know, just what who whatever you experienced in your in your life, right? And some things are completely out of our control, but we still become conditioned by them. It shapes us, it shapes who we are. Every experience we have, good or bad, it shapes us. And then how we choose to deal with it creates like a new timeline in our life. You know, we have multiple like parallel lives that are being lived simultaneously, and a lot of it has to do with the choices that we make. So I always see a decision, even especially with suffering, especially with trauma and pain, it's it's that fork in the road. Do I want to travel down this road that brings in more suffering and creates a longer lifespan with that? Or do I want to trudge down that path that's going to help me to heal, that's going to help me to release it? It's truly up to us how long we want to suffer in something. It's just coming back to ourselves, having a conversation with what is important to us, what sits with our like our own self-integrity of I don't want to waste this much time in my life suffering over something that I can't change. Right? Like you can't change what happened. You can only change how you deal with it and how you move forward with it. And so we choose to spend months, years of suffering in that. That's our choice that we are creating that from that point. And so it's really, I see it like that fork in the road. Which way do I want to go? And there's lessons learned on both sides, but it's where do you feel that you can call yourself back and stand in your own sovereignty, your own power, your own strength, and call back your own life and say, No, I am powerful. This is my life, and I don't need to give it to anything else, no matter what the situation is. And I'm even talking heavy stuff, you know. I mean, we've both shared on here about loss of loved ones and loss of health and, you know, moving through things. So it's not like we're just sitting here, like, oh, we don't know suffering. We know suffering, but yet we can overcome that suffering because we make the choice to do so.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Right. I do feel like there has to be this conscious awareness. And you have to be aware of the conscious awareness. I think that's so much part of it. There's so many people who are, and you know, at times myself included, where it's almost like you're asleep. You don't even know that there's a choice. So, how do you wake up into I have a choice in this? And where do I call in my sovereignty, my strength, my free will, my choice? And I think you have to recognize you have a choice. And if you don't feel like you have a choice, you remain stagnant, you remain stuck.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

I love that with the the the part of being asleep, like recognizing where are you asleep? Where are you asleep in your life? And what parts of yourself can you put to sleep? Right. So it's like sometimes we have these these aspects that show up, these emotions, these behaviors that show up. And it's almost like you poke that sleeping bear, and now they they wake up and from hibernation, and you know what? Put that back to sleep. There's parts of ourselves that Need to just go away that can go to sleep and never wake up. And so waking up to yourself though and saying, I have been asleep to this part of me for so long, the conscious awareness, like you're talking about, have the awareness of self to know, like I can wake up to this right now. And it literally is just speaking to yourself sometimes. Some are a lot difficult, you know, a lot more difficult, but some of it isn't. Sometimes it's just that simpleness of saying, no, I want this to come to an end now. And it's funny, um, even like with the body, I went through this experience of where, on a personal note, I was going through a lot of um heat flashes, hot flashes, and I never experienced that. And and so I guess it's that time, whatever, I don't know. Anyways, I was going through it for a few weeks. And at some point, I just told my body, I'm done. I'm done. I said, I don't want this anymore. This doesn't resonate with me. I haven't had one since. And that was like a month ago. And so I recognize the power of the body, and I recognize the power that when we can communicate and put all of those parts together: the mind, the body, the spirit, everything, it will listen. We are that powerful as beings who you know, we we're soul bodies in this human experience, but we have the ability to say enough is enough, right? If the if you're tired of yourself, like sometimes it's about us, have that conversation. Like, enough, Chantel. I'm done. You know, have it and quit your own behavior. And it it really can step you out of it because we get stuck in our own trap. We create our own, our own trap sometime, our own prison, and all we have to do is unlock the door and step out of it, and that suffering can come to an end.

The Four Bodies And Real Healing

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's been interesting, though. I feel like a few months ago, my hibernating bear, we'll use that analogy, woke up and I just became the bear. Like it just was like I forgot who I was, and I'm just now this angry bear who needs to like just take up so much space. And so part of it too is like understanding like your shadow aspects, how can you love on them? If they're so if they're so taking up space, how can we let them express until they're exhausted almost? So that they can get tired and go back to sleep, right? So there's a way of two of like recognizing like sometimes the bear is just ready to be like, oh, I see you, and go back to bed. And sometimes it's like, okay, the bear is awake and alive. And what do I need to feed it? What do I need to nurture it with? Because this is if we are gonna love all aspects of ourselves and really be whole, the parts of ourselves with the inner child trauma, the parts of ourselves that have the sexual trauma, the parts of ourselves that didn't get us speak up when we wanted to, whatever it may be for your experience. How do we love and nurture and forgive ourselves in that process? And then recognize it's you've become the bear. Like that's not all of who you are. I think that's where so much of the stickiness comes in, is when your inner bear wakes up and you just become fully the bear. Not just recognizing that is like five percent of who you are, not all of you. And so you have to recognize like this is an aspect of me, and that aspect of me is not all of me. I am not all of my pain, I'm not all of my suffering. I can witness it, I can recognize it, I can nurture it, I can love on it, and I can put it to bed, but that's not who I am, right? So it comes back down to that identity level of like, you can really like embody the bear, and you can be really fully in it, and then you're missing out on all the other beautiful things happening in your life because you are fully in that reactivation of trauma or whatever it may be.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

And self-nurturing is a big part of that. Yeah, that's when you get to, you know, you can reparent yourself, you can re-love yourself, you can re-nurture yourself, you you put yourself forward and you put yourself first in those moments, right? And so that way that you can feel that love, that nurturing and that caring of self. And those moments, those times in life are really, really important. That we should every day be thinking about our own care, our own selves. And we don't, we most likely put everyone else ahead of ourselves. So it is important to have that ritual where you can say, I need to take care of me right first, so that I'm I'm fulfilled, I'm fulfilling my own cup, I am creating my own desires, I'm doing what I want to do in life. Because in the end, it's our life. You know, like you're we each have our own life to live, and we can't live for everybody else all the time. We have to live for ourselves too. So we do need to remember when it's important to self-care. And in those moments, that's I think when the bear goes back to sleep, is to say, okay, I've suffered enough. I've seen you, I've taken care of you, I've nurtured you. And that will naturally start to happen. But through the healing process is you not only want the bear to go to sleep, you want it to be alchemized. You want the bear to go to sleep happy and nurtured and loved. So when it wakes up, it's not the same version as it was when it went to sleep in the first time.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Exactly. And so that's that where you know your trauma is triggered. You become this angry bear, but then you do the work to alchemize the energy so that when it does wake up again, there's an activation, but it's not a re-traumatized re-traumatize, traumatization. Oh my god, that word. Re-traumization, uh, right? Because that that's where things really begin to shift. When you do the the this deeper healing component work, then it's just like I recognize that's part of my history, but it's not who I am. That's not who I'm going to be. But that part of me, that that experience that history, it can't be erased. It's just now it's it's almost like it's relaxed.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of times when we go through certain certain traumas, it's also to bring us through a space where when we do heal from it, it's to be in service of it. So we become in service to others, right? And so if you take this on a different level of why do we go through the suffering, it is a lot of times to be in service as our calling of what we're here to do, right? So, how can you become the spiritual teacher if you never went through suffering? How can you become the one that can sit with somebody in grief or sit with, you know, a pregnant woman if you've never been pregnant? You know, like how can you relate to sexual trauma if you've never had it? So there's there's these aspects of ourself that is like, and you don't have to be the teacher, the guru, the anything, just being human and relating and being relatable. If we don't ever experience anything in life, we're never gonna be able to support each other because you don't, you can't re you cannot relate to anything they've gone through.

unknown 29:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

And those who have gone through the suffering are not gonna sit across somebody who has never experienced what they've sat with, what they've experienced. It won't happen. It's not a good connection. And so in life, we go through these sufferings apart to also bring forward our own medicine.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Exactly. This is how that alchemization is the making of your medicine. And right. Well, it was so interesting. Last week, I um I have a student who's really interested in taking some psychic protection type classes from me. And I was like, oh, I did that a year ago. Let me like edit some videos, and and it was literally listening to myself give my own medicine back to me that like snaps me out of it. Like I had been in this like angry bear mode, if you will, and had forgotten who I was, and listening to my own messaging, my own words, my own like conviction, my own sovereignty statement was the thing that was like, oh right, got it. That's awesome though. Yeah. So now if I'm ever angry bear again, I'm like, okay, psychic protection video of myself giving my own medicine. Like it, because I mean, I have tried to go get medicine from others, right? And we do this, like people who are self-aware are trying to go to the somatic exercise classes or go to the therapy or go to the river to take some time or take that bath or whatever it is. We're self-caring. And when it's like the self-care isn't really nurturing your inner bear, it's like sometimes it's like go to a version of you that when you were happy, when you were content, when you were fully who you in your passion and motivation, like what version of you had the medicine and returned. Like it's like it's like when your computer freaks out and you have to like backdate it to an old history.

Calling Back Power And Choosing Sovereignty

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Yeah. Unfortunately, not everybody has replays they can go back to, but you can definitely go back to the memories of when you were happy. And it's not because you're trying to be that person again, but you're like you're saying, you can take that medicine forward and say, what in that moment made me happy? Why was I joyful? Why did life have like a different look to it, you know? And I was seeing things through a different scope of life. Go back to that version of you. Let it become the one that nurtures you and know that it's there. It's there. We've already gone through so much pain. We have already moved through our darkest days, right? We've already been successful in that. So sometimes it is going back to our younger self or a different side of ourself and say, you've already done it. That warrior's in you, right? You have the ability to overcome all of this. Why is this one thing now triggering you? And you have those conversations with yourself. What is the narrative that you're holding on to? What is the identity that you're holding on to? And how is it serving you? And if it's not serving you, then ask yourself, what is it in me that feels I need to hold on to this? And what do I need to let that go so I can really truly do the healing within myself right now? So you're not overlapping, so you're not replaying it, so you're not reliving it. So the people in your life aren't going crazy with you because they're like, Who are you right now? Where'd you show up from? You know, the sleeping bear wakes up and suddenly your whole family is like, Whoa, what happened to mom? What happened to my wife? You know, and and so we don't need to be tiptoeing, and those around us don't need to be tiptoeing with us. But having those conversations and noticing how everything is serving you or not, and make those changes.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Even if you're an angry bear right now in this time and in this moment, and you're being reactivated, re-traumatized, whatever it was, and I love you anyway. Like having support of people who aren't going to run from your darkness is so empowering to know that like you're safe to let the bear do what it needs to do, and then feel into does your expression need the gentleness of yin or the strength of a yang energy? Like, and this is where we're really cultivating and recognizing our inner feminine and masculine energy of what's needed. Do we need the inner masculine, which is going to bring that warrior sense out, that's gonna bring the really strong, healthy boundaries out, that's gonna say, no, I'm not available for this? Or is it the yin that just really needs the gentleness, that really needs the waters, that really needs the softness to feel supported and healed? Right. And so it's it's coming to recognize the balance. Like, yeah, on Saturday night we were yelling and kicking and screaming and all of these things to get the feminine rage out. And the next night it was I um I went to a heart-centered chakra dance for the goddess of Kwanyan, right? Like totally completely contrast energy, right? And so how does each of those support you in the process? Right? Like if you're saying I'm I am healed, I am whole, I'm exactly as I am, and I'm gonna accept all of me. What's gonna help nourish me? Is it the getting the strength or is it getting the gentle?

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Yeah. And this is when it's like it's important to know who you are, you know, and I think a lot of suffering too is people don't truly know who they are, they don't know what they need. So they don't know if it's the masculine or the feminine energy that they need to reside with. They just know that they're possibly in this fight or flight energy because their nervous system has been completely shot. And so they haven't even taken enough time in life to just get to know who they are without the trauma, without the suffering, without the drama. You know, people tend to reside in that if there's no gossip going around. People don't know what to do with themselves. You know, it takes a lot of work to step out of that and to become a neutral, balanced person to say, if it is not going to align with me, then I don't need to engage in that. And people don't understand that. And there's even a situation in my life right now where I've had to take a neutral stance with something and that might not align with everyone. But it for me, as difficult as it is, because I feel like there's a sense of like I'm not included in everything because I don't want to be a part of all of that. But for me, I I can't engage in it, it doesn't align. And so everyone is shifting and moving and doing what they all need to do, which in turn means me too, right? So now I have to find that space. So is that bringing up stuff in me? Yes, it is. But at the same time, I know who I am enough to say I can hold space for myself now. Let me hold space for myself. Am I kicking and screaming in some areas? Yes, 100%. And then I get through that. Like, give me like 10 minutes. I was just telling my husband the other day because he wants to fix it for me. Yeah, I'll I'll tell him how I feel. And then he's like, Well, you know everything, you know, I guess I know, but you know what? Sometimes I just need you to say, you know, that's freaking bullshit. Like, get into that rage with me just for like a minute, and then after that I'll be okay, you know. He goes, Okay. And he tries to do it. It's just not, that's not his personality, but whatever. It is when he's in it. But for me, he wants me to stay that balanced person, you know, he wants to know I'm not hurting. And so it's me having to sit with myself and recognize why am I feeling this way? What is it triggering in me? And that's where I come back to the archetypes. What is my inner child saying? Is this something that is from a playground experience of, you know, a group of friends that didn't, you know, I wasn't engaged with or whatever. And it almost always goes back to some childhood experience or some younger version, right? And it's like that that little experience, big or small, has conditioned a part of me that now can be triggered by the adult version of abandonment or, you know, whatever. But I know it's my choice to stand where I'm at. And so I can see that spectrum of suffering and say, okay, I'm good with it now. It's all good. Everyone's gonna be moved as it needs to be moved, and it's okay, right? Because we're all being shooken up for some reason and purpose that the universe says, how you have all been no longer serves. And now I'm gonna shake you up, move you all so you can go do what you need to do in different areas of the world, you know, or your community or whatever. Um, and it's very interesting to witness it. So I've been the witness to a lot of it, and at the same time, having to hold my own space and say, okay, I got this.

Shadow Work And Reparenting The Bear

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Yeah, and I think that's where you know it comes down to each individual has to take the radical responsibility of their own energy, their own emotions, their own energy feel, what they bring forward. And that in and of itself is like claiming your power, claiming your sovereignty. Like I'm not going to allow these other situations, my past or whatever, take hold of me. You know, and so it's like, how do we fully I think it's fully accept who you are, love who you are, honor who you are, and know that you're inherently divine, you're inherently worthy, you're inherently enough. You're inherently just right, right? Like, I think that so much of our past, our childhood programming, whatever that looked like, denied those things. And that which is why we have come out with this struggle of I'm not enough, I'm not good enough, my love love for me is conditional, I have to do these things to earn it, you know, like all of the struggle that has been so ingrained is is there to make us feel small, right? When we're in not empowered, then we're more easy to move through the program of life the way that it's currently operating. Right. And so when we start taking the time of going, I'm worthy of my bath, I'm worthy of my journal time, I'm worthy to go for my walk, I'm worthy to take care of my body and healthy food, I'm worthy to take my vacation. Like when we start claiming our worth in the time that we give ourselves, you start noticing shifts because the people who want to deny that from you will start getting upset. You're very upset, right? And then if you keep on with it, like, no, it's fucking Monday night. I'm taking a bath, like whatever it is, like whatever your thing is that you are going. My minimum standard has now risen up to have self-care every single day. This is what that looks like for me. And if you don't like it, then you can go away. Like you're gonna phase people out, and it's really that's an interesting transition of right. And we see it all the time in our students where they're in that transition, they're they're coming into their power and they're feeling lonely because the new frequency set that you're stepping into is not the frequency of the past, and the frequency that's coming that's in the future, you're preparing for, and it's preparing for you. And so you might be in this transition loneliness phase, and so it might feel like suffering because you feel alone, but you're being prepared.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Yeah, it's that in between. It's like when you're being pulled back, that tight, you know, rubber band, you're being pulled back for a reason and need to catapult you forward, right? And so it really is that in-between stage. And what's important is when we can move from the why is this happening to me versus oh, what can I learn from this, right? And so that mind shift changes a lot in you as well, because then that loneliness doesn't have to be as lonely when you're not looking at it from a perspective of why is this happening to me versus what can I learn right here, right now? So if you are sitting in your loneliness, then you do get to take those times, like go take the bath. You know, like the other night, I was telling I went instead of a bath for myself, which I share with my grandkids right now. And my daughter goes, Well, it's it's the girls' bathtime. I'm like, not right now. It's like right now, I'm gonna go DV and I'm gonna go take my salt bath because I need it. And when I come out, you can use it, you know. And I had to use those boundaries for the moment because I know what I needed, and I knew there was time still for them to still have bathtime dinner and go get ready for bed. And it's just sharing space. But um, in that moment, it was like, no, I need to go do this for me, and you're gonna have a happier mom and a happier grandma and all that if I go do me right now. So it is, but in that moment of loneliness, there's so much beauty there because then you really get to just sit with you. You get to learn deeper on who you are, and we don't get a lot of time and space for that because we're so busy doing and caring and being a part of everybody else's world that it's in those quiet moments that we can actually sit with ourselves and commune with our own spirit and say, okay, this is why I'm going through this right now. And it's okay, and I accept it because it's bringing forward that growth and that transformation, and all the wrong people are moving away from you and shifting, even if you love them. You know, if that resonance isn't there anymore, it's okay to say it's time to shift. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Yeah. So it's kind of like recognizing what are we suffering with? Like it's it's slowing down enough to going, what am I actually spiraling on or hyperfixated on or and when am I giving myself time? And sometimes it takes a lot of time. Sometimes you need that time to really fully be in the fullness of whatever you're going through and to then make a new choice. So what are you go ahead? What is this asking for you to become?

SPEAKER_00 44:47

And what doorway do you have to walk through? What gate are you at right now? You know, and and when we stand at our own gate, do we have the strength and the know-how to walk through it? Or do we still hold ourselves back? Because even if you hold yourself back in your suffering, that means there's still something there for you to learn that you haven't a hundred percent received. Because the moment that you feel empowered enough to walk through your own gate to walk through and walk away from your own suffering, you've learned it. You've done it. Whether it's through listening to your own medicine from the past or having a conversation with somebody that resonated with you, or you and yourself just said, okay, I'm ready to move forward, right? You walk through that. You can let that suffering be a part of who you were in the past. You can revisit it here and there, but it doesn't need to have that same suffering, that same trigger response. You it comes in lighter because you did the work, right? But if we don't do the work and we just keep like gathering and collecting suffering trauma moments, eventually that becomes the breakdown. That becomes the illness, that becomes the disease, that becomes the breakup, right? That becomes the lack of self-identity. So it is we have to be consciously moving through whatever life is bringing towards us. Because life is gonna life, it's gonna do what it's gonna do. You know, we're going, we're here to go through these experiences. So it's really how do we move through those experiences with conviction and self-awareness and consciousness and know that that the body and the mind can really trip us up sometimes. So we almost have to outsmart our own mind or our own thoughts.

Boundaries Loneliness And Vibrating Up

SPEAKER_01 46:28

And it's really important to recognize that when you're in that loneliness, when you're in that um that suffering, to find avenues of connection, find avenues of of being being with other people who are are vibrating up, right? Not vibrating down. Vibrating up. Vibrating up, meaning like you're not gonna be amongst people who are all sitting around just complaining, right? This is my biggest annoyance when I like sit with people who are of an older generation and they're in their geriatric season and they're all sitting around complaining about all their ailments. And I try to shift the conversation and they go right back into that. They're like, Well, I have surgery, you know what I mean? Like it's just like constant. I'm like, y'all are vibrating down. Like, and there's there's a recognition of like, I get to choose who I spend my time with, like, I get to choose where I put my attention. And so, does your social media feed vibrate you down or does it vibrate you up? Meaning, are you feeling better after or are you feeling worse? Right. And so when we come to connection, it's recognizing that community is available, ceremony is available, honest conversations are available, and being witnessed is medicine. And so you can have this medicine of being witnessed, of expressing yourself and doing the work of it, the optimization of it, so that you're not only sharing your medicine with each other, but you're also shifting out into a new vibrational energy. You're receiving codes to your most optimal self, right? And so recognizing that the spiritual aspect isn't meant to be alone, that we're meant to be in community. And so if you find yourself alone, where do you subscribe your attention to?

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Yeah, and that's really important for everyone to know. Everything you need is one already inside of you. You just need to open up that, you know. But everything else you need is also out there in the community somewhere. You just have to go find it, right? And and sometimes it's like just opening that door, being available to it to say, you know what, I'm gonna go try something new. Next thing you know, you have a whole new community of people that are surrounding you with love and supporting you and lifting you up, you know. But it's we have to move through that and say, I'm ready for something more, and go sit in community with somebody else. Go ask a friend out to lunch, you know, go do something that helps you to get out of the mindset that's keeping you in that suffering and go feed yourself something different. You know, go get a different view of your of your town, drive to the mountains, go to the trees, go to nature, right? Like there's so much around us, no matter where you live, beauty is everywhere. Go find that space that calls to you and let that become your medicine for the moment. Because it's really difficult to be really unhappy when you are feeling happy, right? Like you can't be both. You can't be sad and happy at the same time. So it's like you got to choose which vibration really is resonating with you. Sit in your sadness for a moment, but then shift over to happiness. Find that thing that's going to bring forward joy that's gonna make you laugh. Even if it's a forced laugh for a minute, eventually your body will follow. Your body will, you will laugh. You will find joy, you're gonna find the right people, and you're gonna release the past.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

Yeah, absolutely. And I I um, you know, I've been in my little shift mode here the last week, and I'm going like, oh, I have people who are asking for support. I have people who are wanting a woman's work that want that are they're in their process of shifting out, right? Of wanting to be witnessed, but they want to learn how to be understand their energy within and without, right? What's going on the inside, what's going on the outside in your auric field, as well as inside your body? And where is this energy stored and how do we alchemize it? And how do we shift? And and how do we protect ourselves from those intrusive energies, right? Those energetic cords, those those people with unhealthy boundaries that are constantly asking more of you than what you are available to give, right? Like, how do we really honor and take responsibility of your field? And how do we do these activating actions, these exercises, these somatic practices that really help you align with your truest version, your truest version of who you are. And so I'm writing, like I'm thinking I'm writing a blog yesterday morning. I'm writing, writing, and then it turns into like a sales page almost where it's like, join me for three months. I was like, oh, apparently this is what's next. It felt like autonomic writing where I was just like, it was just flowing out of me. So something is in the works I'll be putting out because I do feel like there are so many people who are in this, especially right now, because the world is in this, right? The world is in the state, and so it's being reflected in our own waking up, of our own recognition of I have a choice that I can participate in the suffering, or I can take I can have a choice to take responsibility of my energy. And if I take responsibility of the energy from within, it will reflect in the energy without into my auric field. And if I'm taking responsibility for my energy and my auric field and my this field of love, then I can be influential. It can be the medicine I bring to others, right? And so how do we how do we progress along that?

Community Support And Closing Invitation

SPEAKER_00 52:26

Yeah, and that is it. It is really being accountable to your own action, your own energy to say then, all right, if I can do this for me, because whatever we resonate at is what we bring to the table with others, right? And we all know that. So it is. It's like bringing it to the table, see where you are, where does it, how does it land for you as women, as people, you know, it is sitting in ceremony and community and having different ways of working within yourself, with your own field. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Because when you get there, when you release the suffering condition, then you become more aware, you become more present, you become more grounded, you become more spacious, you become less reactive because the pain isn't controlling you anymore. You're in control, you're taking responsibility, your awareness is serving you.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

Yeah, because it opens up space for that energy to come, right? It's that contraction and restriction and everything. So when we're just holding on to all this heaviness of ourselves, there's no space for anything new to come forward. There's no space to be able to say I'm happy or I'm in love or I'm feeling this or that, because we're just we're sitting there holding and our hands are full. So it's like it's time to like put it down, let it be, give it to the altar, say I'm good for now, let that go, so that more experiences can start opening up to you. That you can start thriving in life and thriving in your experiences versus always being triggered back to it and and not have to. I, you know, I'm at a place in my life right now, it took me a long time to get here. But it I don't get triggered very easily anymore because it's like I've learned it, I've seen it, but you in the past was I there, yeah. So when we can walk across the bridge and really see ourselves on the other side, there's so much lessons and medicine and and know-how from the past, but then you can stand in the strength of self and say, Wow, man, look at me. I did it, I achieved it. On some degree, I achieved it. And so then it does become more of a choice in ourselves of how long do we want to sit in it, right? We're all growing, we're all evolving. And so if the last two months for you was to get to a place where you can now create something, that's what I'm saying. It becomes of service, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Because it's like growth is is cyclical, right? Like we're we're in the spiral of it, like the bigger spiral of life. Like we're gonna continue to have things happen. Life is gonna continue to life for all of us. Life is gonna life. And when those things come back around and return, we have the choice to respond differently. Right. And and so when they come around, you can recognize them. Oh, I've been here, I know the medicine of this. I'm gonna make a different choice, and I'm gonna bring that new alchemized remembering into my community, my my family, my whatever it is, right? Gonna share the wisdom.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Make different choices, see your own patterns. That is so important in stepping away from suffering. It's for us to really see our own patterns and say I'm no longer aligned in that. What can I do different today? That brings different experiences for myself.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Yeah. Yeah. So thank you, thank you all for listening, for tuning in. If this resonates for you, please let us know. Let us know if you have questions. Let us know if you are interested in receiving support. Um, yeah, be in touch for sure. That's stuff, you guys. Yay. Thank you, thank you, everyone. Thank you. We'll see you next week. Take care. Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom Rising Podcast is sponsored by Moonrising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Moonrising Institute, or visit our website, Moonrising Institute.com. Once again, thanks for sharing space with us today. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.