Archetypes In Action

A single trigger can make you feel like you’ve lost all your progress, and then you’re left wondering why the same old story keeps replaying. We’ve learned that the fastest way out isn’t more self-judgment. It’s clearer inner language. When you can name the part of you that’s running the moment, you can stop blending with it and start choosing from a steadier place.

In this episode, we’ll explore:

🌕 Archetypes as mirrors that reveal behavior patterns and trauma responses 
🌖 Using roles like mother, daughter, wife as an entry point to archetypal awareness 
🌗 The witness and the sacred warrior for boundaries, accountability, and conscious action 
🌘 The queen archetype and reclaiming healthy feminine leadership beyond cultural stereotypes 
🌑 People pleasing as the prostitute archetype and the move toward priestess aligned service 
🌒 Disruptor and destroyer energy as tower moments that clear the path for realignment 
🌓 Saboteur patterns, imposter syndrome, and shifting into magician level creation 
🌔 Avoiding the wounded rescuer trap and practicing clean support as a practitioner

Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa go deep on embodied archetype work, sharing how archetypes act like a map for patterns, trauma responses, boundaries, and relationship dynamics. You’ll hear how people pleasing can be an integrity leak, how discernment differs from self-sabotage, and how “maturing” an archetype can feel softer and more sustainable than trying to fix yourself. We also touch on the disruptor and destroyer archetypes, why tower moments can be initiations, and how the four bodies (mental, emotional, spiritual, physical) get pulled out of balance when we engage from shadow.

If you’re a healer, empath, or spiritual practitioner, we also name the wounded rescuer trap and what it looks like to hold a clean container without fixing. For anyone craving clarity, purpose, and deep spiritual alignment, we share details on Shantel’s Soul Contracts and Alchemizing Archetypes masterclass starting June 23.

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Transcript

Welcome And Upcoming Offerings

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Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Renee and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising. I'm your host, Christine Renee, and today I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa as we dive into embodied archetype work and really using some personal examples from our lives of how much they affect the way we personally grow and develop. And really excited for this conversation. We will be having Chantel's Soul Contracts and Alchemizing Archetypes masterclass begins again on June 23rd through August 11th. We'll be having classes every Tuesday night. And we really think this is a great opportunity to dive in deep for clarity, purpose, and deep spiritual alignment. And I'm really excited for the conversation. You'll understand it in a moment. And also know that I am offering a tantra-inspired shamanic retreat down in Austin on June 26th through the 28th. So I'll have that information in the show notes. So if you are interested in joining us for a women's retreat where we are going to be emotionally processing and deep diving deep into some shamanic cord cutting practices and embodiment practices and feminine activation practices, this retreat is for you. So that is coming up right around the corner. So I wanted to make a quick announcement here as well. We have one room left if you don't want to come camp out in the temple space. So uh would love to fill that room if that's a calling for you. That's in about one month. And we hope to see you there. Please reach out if you have any questions and enjoy today's show.

What Embodied Archetypes Really Mean

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So today's conversation is on archetypes living embodied. Like, how are we utilizing the archetypes to really understand ourselves and move from the victimhood and into our fully empowered embodiment of being? And Chantel is like the expert on this. I really love the way she introduced me to archetypes. And it's been a passion of mine as well since. And she's definitely, Chantel's definitely taken the deeper dive road, really supporting not only herself, but many clients and community our community and the archetypes. And I'm oftentimes out here hanging on the sidelines, cheering it on because I'm like, I love this work. It's so good. And um, and and doing my own personal path with the archetypes. And I think this is a really great space for whether you're beginners or if you've been in into spirituality for 20 plus years. Like I think archetypes always allows you to dive into the interpersonal even deeper. There's always more layers to go because you're looking at it from a faceted lens, right? So I'm um I'm excited for the conversation. Thanks for being with me, Chantel. Yeah, I'm glad that we're doing this one. Um, and I know we've done a few, and so that when we're talking about YouTube, YouTube is a great place to go and get some of our past conversations on archetypes. But um it is when you know your archetypes and you can recognize your patterns, you really can step in a more empowered way of living and having that different perspective. So it really raises your awareness, your consciousness. It helps you with, you know, really regulating your emotions because you're you're seeing how your traumas and how your experiences have really impeded on your life and emotionally, mentally, physically, all of it. And when you can recognize the archetypes, it's like, oh, I see you. Because and ultimately you're seeing yourself, they're a mirror reflection of who we are. And so it's a great thing to be able to walk this more empowered spiritual journey. Well, and it's interesting. So I find myself constantly looking through this lens, and um, I really kind of want to bring up like if you were a crystal with all those different fractions, right? And you bring light into it, it's going to fraction out in different ways, right? And so this is it's it's different aspects of yourself that we all can hold. And we there are so many different archetypes, and we can look at ourselves and at these different angles. So, as many of you know, I've been studying uh shamanic tantra, and I still keep coming and folding that in with the archetypes. So it's like, where's the prostitute at? Where's the saboteur and relationship with that? Where is the seductress? Where is the queen? Where is like all of these different feminine archetypes? And how does it relate to what I'm currently working on my own expansion in? Right. And and and sometimes there are just really amazing journal prompts of like, if you can look at your life through the lens of, let's say, the seductress, what connotations does it have? What light aspects does she bring? What negative aspects does she bring? The shadow aspect, like all of these ways of like self-reflecting so that we can come to know ourselves better and really understand who we are and how can we love on all these different aspects and recognize their position in the fullness of who we are. Yeah, yeah. And it's so much, it's so important to know because when we recognize our patterns and we see them, like you're saying, with that crystal and the having that we're being fractured out, right? But it's the wholeness of ourselves. So it's like you're seeing yourself in different versions and different images, right? And it's our behavior, it's the way we act, it's how we interact with people, it's how we respond, it's how we show up in the world. And so for me, it's like, yeah, like I want to know those parts of myself because I'm tired of working through all of the shadow without having the true like understanding of why that shadow is showing up. And so a lot of people, they always they ask me, like, what is my biggest thing that I've taken from my spiritual journey? Like, what have I learned? And I'm gonna say soul contracts and archetypes have been probably the two top parts of my spiritual journey. Because as soon as I understood what it meant to have archetypes in our life and to be able to see my patterns, that really empowered me to make the changes. And then those changes in turn created change in my life in all areas. And even when I'm like having a situation that I'm being triggered by someone or something, I can be accountable to that. So I love it. It's just such a great spectrum to understand and to know, and it reclaims your own personal power. So it's like I'm not just gonna sit in victim and go, okay, like yes, this happened, or this person's attacking me, or I'm going through this experience or whatever. I get to sit in the eye of the storm instead of being in the center of the chaos and going, okay, now what do I do with all of this? I get to be the observer and go, yeah, I see this all happening around me, but I don't have to involve myself like I used to. Yeah.

Parts, Myth, And The Mirror Effect

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I feel like this was the precursor to internal family systems when you view yourself as parts, right? Like you know what I mean? Like I I've just been really, I've been really like super deep diving into these aspects. And like last night, it was I had this really profound um chakra dance that my partner basically specifically developed just for me and what I was working through. Like I had some crown chakra things going on, and it was really cool to be in this deep meditation, a movement meditation, where you could you could see yourself in all of these different aspects, parts, different archetypes. And at one point, it was even like you could see yourself in all of the stories of, let's say, the Egyptian myths, like all of the different characters in the gods and goddesses, and how that makes up a family and they're all their own archetype. You know, when you think of set, you think of chaos. When you think of Isis, you might think empowered healer or mother or whatever it is. Like you have all of this vision. And so it's like, okay, there's all of these different ways that throughout history we have been programmed, I think, especially as women, to see ourselves and accept ourselves in all of these different aspects of who we are, right? Right. And so the mythology has given it to us. This is the hero's journey. This is, you know what I mean? It's like it's all of it. It's all it's everywhere, it's everywhere. It is, and so we can, and you can even see, like in your own like nuclear family, see the spectrums of these archetypes within yourself. You are the mother, the father, the sister, the you know, the daughter, the all of it. And so, how are each one of them showing up? And that's a really easy way of looking at it. And we don't need to get all big into the saboteur and the victim and all that. Yes, that will come, but how are you showing up as the different roles in your life? And those are the archetypes that are developing you, that are shaping you and molding you as a person. And so it's like, yeah, I am the mother here, but I am this daughter and this sister, I'm the wife, and all these roles. And each one of them has their own archetypical pattern. And how are you showing up? And are you showing up in your shadow? Are you showing up in your light? Are you able to be the wife that can be nurturing and loving to your your partner? Or are you gonna be the shadow wife that doesn't know how to nurture, that doesn't know how to show up, right? And it goes both ways. So there's that middle ground when you know the healing that needs to happen, or you see your patterns, you can change it. Because it's just the awareness of can I change it? I think I can, and I will, and you go do that work, but there's so many of them in every personality. Um, there's a whole spectrum of them. So it is like you're throwing out different ones, like the goddess and the muse, and um, you know, there's the um, I don't know, like the creator, and the there is chaos, there is all of that. So, how is it shaping our personality on a daily basis? And how can we see it so we can stop our own patterns? Right, or utilize the healthy patterns to support us consciously creating, you know. So it's it's like that's a huge amount of self-awareness that comes through archetypal work and to see where you're at, and really like when you sit in the archetype of going, I'm gonna I know that I have a fullness of myself, a fuller version of who I am. And I'm gonna take this one aspect of me and hold it. So let's say the mother archetype, I'm holding the mother archetype. Here are the benefits of me embodying the mother archetype. This is what it means to me to be the mother archetype, and here are the the shadow parts of me being the mother archetype. And maybe that shadow archetype of the mother is like she feels trapped, she doesn't feel free, she always has responsibilities, like right. So many of us can relate to that. And when we can pause for a moment and go, this is just an aspect of ourselves, it isn't the fullness of who we are in reality, it's one part of us. And so then you can you can get into these other aspects of yourself and go, and this part feels free and alive and and um just outgoing. What archetype is that? And so there's a lot of different ways that I find that it's learning how to not just balance within the archetype, but to really go, what what caused my the shadow part to come forward? And in exposing those shadow aspects and and going, I hear you, like just listening, like I hear you. Mothering can be really difficult. It can be very isolating in the culture that we live in. Like when we can give the reassurance to the shadow aspects, they get it's almost like they take a deep internal breath of going, oh, I've finally been seen. I've been seen in my struggle. And then it's then there's a whole new avenue of stepping forward of going, what patterns make this shadow element more alive? More, what comes out of that? And is that something I want to perpetuate, or is that something that there's another aspect of me that can hold space for the suffering that is happening here? And then we bring in maybe the victim, we bring in the self-saboteur, we'll bring in these different elements to shine lights on each one of them to see how they are ready to grow. Yeah, and evolve from this that space of suffering. And so when you I like that example of like the mother who sits alone, right? Like we did we do at some time. Like traditionally, I think there was more of a cultural of a like a tribe that you know, the women would all gather together and take care of children, and family members would do that, and then we became very like separate in our individual like these are my children, these are your children, and we raise them individually, and that does become overwhelming.

The Mother Archetype Across Life Stages

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And then you have a lot of like young women, yeah. I was a teen mom, and so I know what it feels like to be in that being 16, 17 years old, raising children, you know. I was a baby myself having babies, and so if you don't have a strong foundation of a support system, you're you really can lean more into that what about me energy, and I need support and I need love. And don't you see me over here struggling? And and so it's witnessing that in ourselves and seeing that is more of the shadow. But yes, there is also I can shine light on that and see the happy parts of being a mom, you know, and now being an like I'm a young grandmother, and so it's like in the moment, oh my gosh, like me being a young mom, I was like, oh, and life has already been written, right? I was a I was a mother by 23 with three kids, but now I'm you know in my 50s and I have no children to raise. My grandkids are already here, and it's like the spectrum of looking at it, and so when I am now like with my grandkids, it's a whole different thing. I get to be a different mother now, even though I'm not their mom, but now this is the other side of the spectrum of mother, of like this archetype gets to show up for me now and say, you can reparent yourself through this action with your grandchildren. You can show up as a stronger um archetype as a stronger matriarch in your family because of it. Because I've done a lot of healing, I've done a lot of work, I'm older, I'm wiser, you know, have more patience. I think that comes with, you know, when we're talking about having children, you have more patience when you get older to sit with them and to nurture who they are. And so these archetypes really come in as these conscious layers of self and what is important for us as people and how do we connect with each other? How can we, the wiser, like more elder, you know, woman help the younger woman, help them to stand in their strength as a mother when they're feeling overwhelmed and stressed out. Yeah, absolutely.

Witness And Warrior As Daily Practice

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I'm I'm curious of is there one archetype you really enjoy working with for yourself or for your clients? And which one is like the one that you gravitate towards often? Um I I tend to be more the witness, the observer archetype, um, because I really believe in detaching from our like seeing our whole spectrum of self, like seeing our emotions, our reactions, like how can we stand in that? Um, I really like that. I really am about the warrior. Like we need, we are like literally like boots on the ground right now, right? And like it's a it's it's kind of tough out there for a lot of people. And so I think when they can see themselves as showing up as the warrior in themselves, as the one that can make the shifts, that can really empower themselves, when you give them this, it's almost like people are seeking like awareness of permission. Like, you got this, you can do this. Here you go, here's all you need to know. And when people say, the power is in my hands, like I have it, they shift, they shift so fast because then they can start doing their self-love, they can start speaking their truth, they show up in their own sessions, they do the work in between, they can go and say, you know what, this job isn't in line with me anymore, and I want to go do this. So they start venturing out into different aspects of their life because they recognize that they have the power within themselves and it's not outside of themselves. And I think that we have given so much of our power away for so long that when you tell somebody, hey, look at this, check this out, you really are the one in con, you're the co-creator, you're the one in control, you're the one in power of your own choices, people then step up to that. And and that's what I see in my clients, and that's what I see with people when they do this work, is they want to be empowered, they just didn't know that they could. Right. And now that's not an awesome, yeah, exactly. Like they didn't realize they had the they had it. They're like, What are you talking about? And when you talk like that and you show up like that, they want to embody that too. They're like, I want to do that. And I'm like, Well, what you see in me is in you, so let's do it together. I'll walk with you. We'll mentor through this, you know. And so it's it is, it's really strong, it's powerful. So, yes, the warrior, the warrior is mine. I'm gonna claim that one. What about you? Oh, um, let me think.

Queen Energy And Cultural Conditioning

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I feel like I'm I'd probably I probably go back to very often the queen archetype because it's kind of a foundational woman archetype for myself. And um, and all of the, you know, the victim, the saboteur, the, you know, these other ones kind of reflect off of her, right? And so it's like I remember it was a you know, a few years ago, like sitting in office and doing some like who is sitting in your throne, Christine? Like, you're not there. Who is sitting? Who's who is and then it's like this little girl that's taken over and like having her fit and like not being fully my war, like almost for you, it's like the warrior, the strong, empowered, like clear. And when I think of the queen, it is that sitting back, that like slightly leaned back, but like no one's gonna try you, no one's gonna step on your toes. There is a bit of um of you know, recognizing that they're worthy of delegation, that they're worthy of like being the lead. And um and also seeing how often our our media, our culture has made the queen out to be this really negative archetype. Like all Disney movies, it's the it's the queen is the horrible person. And you watch, like, watched all of these Disney movies, and like all of those old ones were written by men. Yeah, so it was always the king, the benevolent king and the hideous queen who is horrific and and um uh malicious, and you know, all these these things. It's always like it. I think for me, I I tend to gravitate towards to all of these women archetypes, whether it's the witch, whether it's the queen, whether it's the goddess, whether it's the um the prostitute, like all like I feel really fascinated in all of the women's archetypes. And I think that's just where I am in my life, and I recognize that, and seeing how she wants to play out. And I think part of it was I feel like I was I was kind of held, I was held in. I felt really bound during my marriage. Like I couldn't really fully be all that I was, like I needed to hold in this one archetype of mother, but hold in the archetype, like in the mother aspect of being the micromanager, of getting all the shit done, doing everything for everyone, self-um people pleasing, self-um not denigrating, but like self-sacrificing. That mother archetype was all that I had available to me. Right. And so since my divorce, it's like all these other women-oriented archetypes have shown up. So I don't, it's not really like it's just the queen, it's like queen in relationship with, or yeah, because she represents so many more aspects of the feminine, yeah, you know, and so does like even going back to the warrior, you know, it's that feminine divine warrior, you know, it's not like the masculine warrior, you know, because you can be the feminine warrior, you're able to really show up in your full power as a woman and say, I can do this. Can I be the father and the you know, the masculine energy if you're a single mom? your your husband is gone all the time yes you can but when you can be soft with yourself too and know that you're able to show up in both ways that is so beautiful because as women I think that we've been stripped a lot of that it's like we have this expectation that you can be the the mother at home you can go to work you have to have the house clean you have to be you know the lover and you have to be you know the the chauffeur and the one that does all the shopping and all the cooking and there's so many jobs and titles that we have just in that one that when you can say yes I can do all that but I can also let you help me clean and I can help you you can come and help cook we can delegate and we can also say you know what today is my day to take off and I'm gonna go shopping I'm gonna go have lunch with friends I'm gonna go hang out I'm gonna do me today and that is also part of being that feminine energy to say no I don't want to do it. I'm taking today off you know and it's okay to do that. And so it's like it's funny because there's so many like jokes and memes and stuff out there where it's like the husband when he's sick you know and he's just like in bed all sick and then the wife when she's sick she's got the kids and she's all runny nosed and all these things. And it really is true in a lot of households. And I do feel that women are starting to step up into their own right and saying okay well now we can be more partners in our life versus you're just going to work and coming home and I'm gonna work and do the kids and the cooking and the cleaning and everything else you can help me as well. Let's find that balance and I really find that to be a great centerpiece or point for the warrior to show up for women right now. Yeah because it's letting us say I don't want to do it all. And the warrior has these really clear fierce boundaries yes they do.

Fierce Boundaries Without Going To War

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Right and so it's those clear fierce boundaries that really help empower what you don't want. Like it's hard to it's and maybe it's for me. It's hard for me to figure out what I want until I know where my boundaries are right and so like I need my fierce draw the line I'm not available for this to then go, okay well now I've created my container because I know where those lines are now what do I desire within this you know and so it's this really interesting dynamic of going the warrior wants to be like the warrior the way I see her kind of show up in my life is like I'm really trying to create this energetic bodyguard kind of image right where like she's kind of a doorkeeper. You know she doesn't need to be armored up ready for battle every day but she needs to help me in my discernment of what situations I can let my guard down and which ones need to have her armor on. Like I need that almost warrior type in a bodyguard sense that is on the back burner that's just happening that she knows where the lines are and she's gonna protect them versus me always being on guard ready like um so I can soften into my feminine because I know the bodyguard the warrior feminine has got the boundaries taken care of yeah and that is how the archetypes are they're these energetic beings or you know that we can see them like that. Like can you see like I can give an example of you know just recognizing in myself when I'm feeling triggered and like say the victim shows up and I can literally go down like from the victim to the child to the warrior to you know you connect them all. And when you can see how they're all playing out in your life and your personality in that moment that is where you you stand so strong and so tall because you're like you know what I am not gonna I'm not gonna engage in that I don't need to let myself explore all those deeper emotions in this moment. Just because you somebody else feels like they need to trigger you or have a you know and have a conversation that you're not ready for it's like it's funny because it's like just because somebody feels offended doesn't mean that they're right. You know it doesn't mean like just because you want to have the conversation doesn't mean I need to have it right now. But when you do feel pulled and I just had this happen to me yesterday when I I felt pulled into some trigger response and then I sat with it and I'm like why am I doing that and I'm like okay because this one person can always will always trigger me you know it's just um it's because of the relationship and it's okay. So I then it's a mirror for me to look at myself and it's an opportunity to say did I really need to engage in that no so I did my apology and I did all of my taking accountability because that's really what this is about. The moment I recognize in myself that I'm being played or that I'm allowing myself to play in an arena that no longer serves me, I can step out and say it's okay. Let's take the different route let's take a different perspective let's talk differently and then I go do that energy work with it versus like need to have a sit down you know and so knowing that the warrior really is about conscious action right and the victim is really about taking in those wounds and how did they like how did they affect your life right and so do we want to sit in victimhood and say why is this keep happening to me or you can stand in your own power and say no it doesn't have the power to control me anymore.

Saboteur Versus True Discernment

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I push that out into my beyond my arc field it no longer serves and that is a very beautiful powerful place to be yeah yeah it's interesting how archetypes within us can it's like in a way they evolve yeah yeah it's how they grow with us right how we grow and so when we can see it it's like um us having a conversation actually and I'm like well you see that that's your saboteur right and you know because she's like I want to do this I'm stepping over here and all this and but that's the saboteur because now there's excuses that are coming forward. So the moment and I see this a lot the moment that we are engaging in some desire that we want right so we're like okay I got this big download I want to go do this I'm gonna take this class I'm gonna teach that I'm gonna put this out there I'm gonna create a retreat whatever it is right and then you start backpedaling and all of the self-sabotaging behaviors show up that imposter syndrome shows up all the self-doubt all the criticism right that is the saboteur like tapping on you knocking on your door saying hey remember you're not good enough to do this remember there's failure behind that you know and so it starts to play in on all of the deeper emotions that we have so sit with that and recognize you know what no you're not gonna sabotage this for me. Why am I feeling this? What needs to come to the surface to be released to be seen to be felt you start doing that work and suddenly you know what no that's when you know you can step up and say I am going to have this retreat. I am going to ask for that raise I am going to go and embody myself in this way. And it's because you recognize how the patterns are showing up for you then you got the magician and the magician is all about the magic and yes okay we set that aside now let's go do the thing let's be the road opener let's go clear the path ahead let's know that we can go and collaborate with all these people and everyone wants to gather and we see the gathering we've already visualized the gathering we've already given gratitude and everything for the happenings because we're now standing in our power of truth and we've already said no more of that I recognize you but it's okay now I got this. Right. Yeah it's really interesting as you're talking about um this recognition of where the self-saboteur comes in and then having the awareness to recognize the difference between self-sab the saboteur and the one who has discernment you know like these are there's some fine lines sometimes when you're like well was I just being pushed into the thing that I wanted what I thought I wanted to do but I actually don't want to do it's just this I'm trying to people please to match this person's energy and something that they want to do but I don't really want to actually do the thing or not to the capacity that they want to do the thing and this isn't self-sabdaling this is my discernment showing up to say I'm not available for that or whatever it is right like it's really interesting how we can come into this it's almost like a crafty play of going out just time the fuck out like right we need to step back and and do a check-in of going where's my energy at what is it that I want what is my biggest grandest desire and what am I how am I acting from there? And then who is showing up is the pressure coming in for someone else's desire for you to do a thing and it's not actually authentically yours.

Prostitute To Priestess And Integrity

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Yeah right yeah and that's how the prostitute shows up so I love that the you know you're using saboteur and discernment but yes the discernment in the prostitute is also right there because if you're in your own discernment and you're saying this really doesn't align with me but I'm gonna people please I'm gonna do it anyway I want to say no but I'm saying yes there's your prostitute showing up because you're negotiating your own integrity your own power your own energy and if we're not speaking up then we are prostituting ourselves out so we're saying I'm gonna serve this person's needs versus my own right yeah and that I feel like she doesn't get enough attention the prostitute no because this is the people pleasing this is like I'm gonna manipulate the situation she because she can also be very much a manipulator I'm gonna give you what you want in return for something else as a way of like control and power but it's false yes it's that energetic exchange of yeah you're standing on somebody else's in somebody else's energy but it is false energy because if you aren't saying yes like a big capital yes to yourself and you're giving to someone else eventually that energy gets depleted within yourself. Yeah you're not gonna show up authentic in whatever it is that you're saying yes to right yeah it's it's just really interesting because I've been working through a lot of these feminine archetypes very recently and um even this morning I was thinking about how the prostitute showed up for me in this really um kind of a dark shadowy relationship I had when I was really young and um just totally recognized like she was the prostitute. I did anything he wanted and he would take care of me um materialistically like I could have anything I wanted at any time as long as I was like sexually available right to to bend over backwards to his every need. Right and going now as like more and my queen same like that was fucked up like I could be going like I have judgment about her and at the same time it's the the timing of it is really interesting to kind of see the priestess archetype show up of right like the prostitute oftentimes is what we're lied to about the priestess work. Right. And so it's like how when the prostitute really fully comes into her light self it's more of the priestess the priestess who is of service but she's of service to the light a higher grander source of energy and she's going to act through that for the betterment of everyone. So it's not a people pleasing it's a um a servitude to the divine you know and so the source of energy shifts and I had many years where I was a student midwife where I was tending women and babies and it was like I there were so many times now that I can look like I was the embodiment of the priestess. I was hand in foot taking care of these women and their labors and supporting them through their body transformation of getting giving birth and how I was spiritually emotionally and physically there and present for them through the whole thing like you you can't be more of a priestess than the temple keeper like that. Wow you can't and and that's what I think when we're talking about like maturity and wisdom coming through even though you were young when you were doing that you were already embodying that energy and that archetype whereas like when you're talking about when the prostitute was showing up and how you were exchanging yourself for security and all of that and then you have some kind of judgment that's coming through with the queen it's not so much I don't see it as judgment it's awareness of where you were and now you get to see the growth in what you've made. And now in the queen you're going I wouldn't do that now. But you can give love to that right yeah and give love to her and say you did what you needed to do at that time. And the thing is is when we're young or we get not even just young because it happens at all ages but there are some major manipulators out there that can really zap our energy and take away our power when we're not standing sure footed in our own self. And I think that's why a lot of people become victims of others is because they don't know that they can stand in their own their own truth and say no you don't get to do this. And I am going to say no to you and I'm gonna walk away but there's a lot of fear-based energy in that and when somebody else comes in with a way more dominating archetype versus your own that is they can overpower you so quickly and so know that like they you don't know what the other people what people are walking with as their archetypes because there's hundreds of archetypes we're working with the full spectrum of personality right in every archetype that's out there and so if you have somebody else that's coming in that's like the narcissist or like that is even the like say like a murder archetype right that kind of thing right that comes in but they're so aggressive and so like they're gonna take everything from you and you're just over here like this little energy that you feel little because of what you're showing up with that is so easy for someone to come in and just overpower you. Yeah and so as we're rising up through our own maturity our own wisdom and our own knowledge we get to come back and say no more. And that that energetic boundary is so powerful that it will kick them back.

Disruptor Archetype And The Four Bodies

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Yeah no and I really love that term maturing right we're maturing ourselves and I often love to put that word towards the chakras as well like sometimes we have immature aspects of our chakras and we're learning how to mature them right so it it feels a lot I don't know softer than trying to fix or heal. Like that's not what this is about. It's like how do you become the grandest version of who you are you recognize all of these different aspects of who you are all these different archetypes that show up for you and going what's the the light version of this what how can I really access my true nature and my true power and the wholeness of who I am through all these different facets yeah you know when like when you're talking like that the the um disruptor or even the destroyer right each archetype has a light and a shadow so in the shadow the disruptor comes in and totally can demolish everything in your life right you yourself we can go and demolish everything in our life we can disrupt it. But in the light the disruptor comes in to put you back on your true path like if we are not in alignment with our life and we're hanging out with the wrong people or we're making the wrong choices or whatever we're doing, the disruptor comes in to say hey I'm taking all this out we're flattening this and new people are showing up new experiences are showing up and that's what the disruptor comes and does. And we're seeing that playing out right now on a collective level is there's this disruptor this that's showing up and everything is coming to the surface because we need to see it. And so it's like actually the disruptor started coming in in like I want to say like five years ago five six years ago is when it really started showing up and it's like okay what is currently happening now needs to be destroyed. And so everything has to collapse so the new can be rebuilt and that's in ourselves as well. So if you see somebody that shows up in your world and you're like oh you've got the disruptor archetype that is such a big warning of like heads up what's going to change in your world because here it comes that tower moment is showing up everything is going to start shifting and again are you standing in your own discernment in your own way of witnessing what's happening versus involving yourself and then when we involve ourselves that's when we get in trouble that's when we emotionally can no longer regulate ourselves or mentally and all of that and then our four bodies are all out of whack which four bodies is a great example too because it's like you we need to be balanced in all four our mental emotional spiritual and physical and if any one of those bodies are out of whack or imbalanced out of balance it affects all of them and so it's it's just seeing it and it's for me being able to view it like that that's the witness is being able to see it happening but I don't need to engage in you in that anymore. Right.

Relationships, Polarities, And Love Languages

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Yeah absolutely but sometimes sometimes it's tempting we get pulled into it and then it's a like a reminder of why I don't want to be involved in certain things anymore. I'm like I'm good learned that been there done that kind of energy you know yeah for sure and I think that's part of the process right I think that's the maturing it's the recognizing when the destroyer destroyer has shown up and it alchemized something that you can move into right it is that tower moment. It is that like everything's gotta fall so I can rise from the the the rubble you know I've definitely had those relationships where it's like everything is destroyed I've hit rock bottom there is only one way to go and that is up right yes and I don't regret those experiences. They were horrific and horrible and they also made me who I am today right so it's it is that um that warrior aspect that that really strong clear true like I'm moving forward and recognizing the the types of players you pull into your life by the archetype that you're standing in right like there's a part of magnetic attraction of like if I'm here who am I attracting and yeah that's that energy the frequency matches frequency yeah who whoever we are standing in right now the energy that we are is going to attract the same kind of person. So really if you're not liking something and you look at yourself that's where that change comes from well and I think too like I'm thinking um you know I I moving from my first husband my second husband it was like I was at my rock bottom like things weren't not going well and my first husband was very strong in his toxic masculine and then I married a very feminine man right because I was I was like I need to be soft here's this soft person he's never gonna tell me what to do he'll never raise his voice at me right and it's like this is where those soul contracts come in. It's like I gravitated towards him because I knew I could do the most healing of myself in this type of environment right yeah he offered you more of like a safer container to do that knowing you're not going to be yelled at and told what to do. And at some point you outgrow that yeah right like I don't I don't need a soft container a hundred percent of the time like winner like because then I became his mother like I was in a mothering role of taking care of all of the things and because he wasn't a strong dominant like healthy masculine with healthy boundaries I could I would overcompensate and be I would be the masculine right and so it's like it's really interesting to see how role dynamics show up with which archetypes are still in the necessary phase of maturing yeah yeah for sure and so seeing that pattern then because now I know that you're you're no longer in that relationship. So now you're with a man that is giving you the balance to be the feminine you can still be the masculine because you know the masculine energy is what helps us do our business. It's what helps us get out there, right? But the feminine can show up and be soft and really tweak it in your favor because you have a partner now that's balancing that out with you. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how I feel like I have My ex-husband, and now with my current husband, it's a whole different role. And there are times where me and him, we teeter-totter on the masculine-feminine energy of where it's like, okay, being too dominating or too much, and then we balance each other out and recognize like that doesn't even serve us anymore. Like it doesn't, it's not healthy for our relationship when one of us is trying to overdominate the other, right because we're both very strong personalities. So we have to recognize in each other where the balance is. And it's interesting because even this weekend, we're I was teasing him. I'm like, look at I so I had our cars detailed, and that's not typically something I go and set up and do, you know, but I did. I I told him he was at work and I said, Hey, I set up the cars, or I have someone come in, they're gonna come detail the cars. And he was like, What? Really? So I am fully speaking his love language. I am like, Yes, I want to do this for you. Your truck is a mess. I've been using your truck and I see it, and I need to be fully cleared out. Oh my gosh. So I'm back in the back of the truck and I'm pulling out bricks and all this like really masculine, heavy tool stuff. And I'm like, okay, but I'm doing this for him. And you know, I'm cleaning out, and then the guy comes and totally does a great job on the truck. Well, for because of what I did to him, he then had a beautiful bouquet of flowers sent to me. And I was like, look at us like like standing in our own like love languages and how I love you, you love me, and we're supporting each other because I'm doing something that really served him. And at the same time, he's feeling that love and compassion towards me and is like, okay, now I want to send this. And I just thought that was it was great. And when you take it to those archetypes that we can see each other, right? What do you need? And what do I need? And we're not, we're just matching each other, and that's what a healthy relationship looks like. And then at the same time, you can be triggered by some comment that wasn't meant to be taken wrong, you know? And so you find that balance in between, and that is maturing, that is us growing, that is us evolving as humans, right? Exactly.

Being Seen, Rescuer Traps, Practitioner Growth

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It's this um accepting all of who you are and all of your different archetypes and and being able to have the conversation of wow, my shadow really came out today and owning it and having that dialogue. Like, I think that's where, like, for me, it's so much the communication piece of can I can I be all of who I am? Yeah, right. Like, I think there's that's so part of it. Like, I think I've been in a lot of past relationships that only wanted different aspects of me, but not all of me. Right. And now I feel like I'm in a relationship that any of my archetypes are welcome to come out and play. And I I can I can fully see them and communicate them and be recognized by them and going, This is what I need because this is where I'm at right now, and it not be this um not thrown back at me for judgment or for that I'm um too emotional or too much or whatever, right? Like there's this fullness of I'm just gonna own it. Like I'm a lot. I'm a lot, I go really deep when I spiral, it's totally spiraling internally into my own different shadow aspects, and I am in the murky parts of it, and I have no problem like really self-reflecting constantly, you know, and so it's like, can someone actually match that and be okay with how much I'm in my self-reflection role? And I and I that's not where I'm always at, but like there there is a bit of like, I if I can be all of this and I accept this person for all of who they are and all of their archetypes that show up and all of and honoring all of the work they've done to mature to this place in their life. And I think that's a big part of it too for me, is like I want to continue to grow and continue to mature and continue to grow together. And there's a lot of partners out in the world, I see them in my clients all the time, where it's like one partner is ready to like go. They're they're developing, they're consciously creating, they're they're they're cultivating a life that they want to live and they're they're growing through that, they're maturing through all of these processes. And the other partner is like, no, cool, I'm chill. Yeah, right. Like they're not good. Yeah, right. And I just like, and for some, for some people, that is absolutely okay. I don't want to down on anyone's um relationships, like if that works for you, fantastic. And I've always really desired to have a partner who would be able to walk with me on that journey, whatever it looked like, whether it was their growth, my growth, our growth together, and like throw out things like, hey, I want to read this book, will you read it with me? I want to have a conversation on this podcast, will you will you do that with me? Like, whatever the growth avenue is, like, are they willing to meet me in that energy? Yeah, and they show up with it. And they show up with it, right? And I think that's that's I think that's the the the huge highlight of my weekend is like I was in this really funky place. I had um, I'm seeing a a trauma sex therapist, and after Fridays, I'm like, I'm really down on therapy right now because I'm like, well, my bubbly happy personality is gonna go down the toilet in 12 hours or whatever it may be, right? And then I go and I'm like, yep, it happened. Now I'm down in the shadowy parts again. And for Jim to like see and witness exactly where my um my little activation points were, and then he he went fully on his own. I wasn't asking for him to do anything of going, I'm gonna develop a full meditation that like I have specifically know exactly what I think will help you. And it's not to heal me, it's not to fix me, it's not to change me, it's just to support me, right? And that was like the most beautiful thing I think anyone's ever done for me. Oh yeah, that's wonderful. And he like matched it to like the way I do meditations. Like the I'm like, if anyone's done any of our meditations, I'm always talking about some meadow, right? And he's got the meadow aspect, he's got all these aspects that are very much me. So it's like he's that what that tells me is he's paying attention, he's paid attention for years of how I perceive spirituality, yeah. Right, and that is so important. It's to really um to surround ourselves up with people like that, to surround ourselves with people who are going to witness us, that want to see us, that pay attention to all the nuances of who we are and how it's like, how can they support us? How can we support others? And if we're all so self-focused and we're just in our own survival mode and we're not thriving in ourselves, it's really easy to miss what other people need. And it's really easy to miss the mark on, you know, when somebody is having an issue or going through something, and you just make the trigger even worse, you know, because we and I think it's important for us to get to a place where we can recognize where everyone's at and and show up in that way. And if we can't show up, then get out of the way. Let somebody else show up for them. Yeah, you know, don't try to be the rescuer. And that's one of the major archetypes too, is the wounded rescuer is a huge archetype where you just want to go and be the savior for everyone. Well, you know what? That's not our job. Our job is to support others and to witness where they are and to help them and to say, what do you need? You know, and not be the one that has to go and rescue them just because you want to feel that because it's very ego-driven. It's like, I'm going to save you so I feel good about me. And it's like, no, that doesn't work like that. And so it's it's asking yourself too, like, what are the archetypes here to teach you? Like when they show up, what are you here to teach me right now in this moment? And that's the important part, too, is recognizing and then paying attention to whatever messages come forward. And if it is saying, you know what, you're sitting in your ego too much, and you're trying to um, you know, be the savior for everyone for recognition or for your own, you know, like bubble, your own anything, you know, to feel like you did it, that's not right either. Because what you're doing is you're taking from somebody else who might have the their own ability to empower themselves. Yeah. And all they need is someone to listen, not to fix them,

Soul Contracts And Archetypes Masterclass Breakdown

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you know. But I think this is why it's really important for the practitioners who are listening to this podcast to take the archetypes embodiment course that you do. Like, I really feel like practitioner, there's so many spiritual practitioners out there that are still kind of, I'm not saying everyone, but there's definitely a thread of like they don't even know they're doing it. They're such an empath. And so subconsciously, they've become an enabler, they've become the people pleaser, they've become the rescuer. And as a practitioner, it's really important us to really embody the witnesser, like you that that like you've stated, like I can see what's going on here, I can hold space, I can create the container for the emotional work to do it, but I'm not doing it. I can't right, like they've got to do the work, and so it's really, I think doing archetype work is super supportive, not just in a short-term little focus group, right? Like the eight weeks that you're gonna teach, amazing foundations, but it's something that will continue on for a long time. Like, I think you exposed me to archetypes, what two plus years ago, something like that. Yeah, and I was exposed to them like seven, seven years, eight years ago. Right. Yeah. And I'm still I still walk with them every day. Right. Like I was journaling this morning on the muse archetype. Like, I think it's like and being visible, and how do I want to be seen? And like, how is my inner muse want to come out? Like, I think that's my point. It's like if you are interested in seeing your process as like an onion and you keep taking these layers off, you're never gonna get bored. You're like, that's it, like you're never like it's it's not going to end because you are such a multifaceted individual with so many different internal aspects, parts, archetypes that you want to know who's running the show. This is the way to do it. Yeah. So the the eight-week archetype um masterclass, it starts on Jan, or sorry, January, uh, June 23rd. It's Tuesday nights for eight weeks, and we really do deep dive into this. So the first couple weeks is all about soul contracts. And so we map out your soul contracts, you see how they show up in your life, soul contracts, and we didn't really get into it today, but that is such a huge awareness of where we come from too. And you know that your soul came in with a certain agenda in our life, and we're living through that agenda, right? It's allowing ourselves as the personality, as our, you know, to kind of get out of the way, like recognize it, but know that if your soul gave you a certain agenda, a trauma, a some experience to go through, it also gave you the tools to overcome it. And that is really important to know. So everything that you need is already in you to overcome every trauma that you've ever had, to overcome every bad relationship, every bad decision, everything. You just have to do the deep work to find that tool sometimes. And then the last four weeks is about working with each archetype. So we go through a pair of archetypes per week. So the first week is the victim and the um the victim and the the magician. No, no, no, no. Sorry. The victim and the warrior, the sacred warrior. So we have the victim and the sacred warrior that partner up together. We work with both of those for the first week. You see how the victim's showing up, and then you alchemize it and you empower yourself in that sacred warrior. So you can really stand in your strength and your power with that. Then we move into the saboteur in the magician. So recognizing your self-sabotaging, behaviors, your patterns, and then also how can you show up as the creator, as the magician, and make things happen for yourself, being that road opener. And then we go into the prostitute and the lover. So, where are you um exchanging yourself? Where are you selling yourself out? How are you really just being that like hole in the soul kind of thing where it's like you're gonna go people please and not like please yourself? So then the lover shows up so you can really do the deep inner work of self-love and nurturing, but then also offer it to others. And then we move into the child and being the sovereign one. So there's six different archetypes with the child. One will be your primary, but you might tap into a few of them, but when the child archetype, when your inner child is taking the lead of your life, and you find yourself tantruming and you find yourself making wrong decisions, and you're you're doing all of that, we need to be in charge. We need to take the will back from our inner child and say, no, and you can do that self-healing through this whole time. You I also take you up to the upper world, you go and you meet them, you see their energetic charge, you see how they're showing up and the patterns that they have in your life. And then we have a whole week of integration. And so it is a very well-rounded like foundation to work with your archetypes, to see yourself, your own patterns. This has absolutely changed my life. And it's it's been something for me that um I don't know if I would be exactly where I am right now if I didn't do this work when I did it, and if I didn't still embody it and recognize it and allow myself to see myself through these lenses, because otherwise I think I would probably still be in a victim state in a lot of ways. But I've learned how to alchemize them and to sit with myself and say, Yeah, where are you messing up? Like enough. You know, I can I can have that self-talk now and say, Okay, enough, Chantel, done, done doing that. You've already done that, you've been there, done that, let's move on. And I can stop those patterns from continuing to happen because they're always gonna come back around until you have fully learned it, they're always gonna show up in different faces, different places, different people. If it's gonna show up somehow, somehow. So the more we do the work and the more we start releasing and healing and clearing it out, they don't show up as often. And when you do, you see them, you see that mask coming so fast. And you're like, not today. I don't got time today for that. So yeah, so we do. We start on the 20, on the 23rd. So just a few weeks away. I

Integration, Invitation, And Closing Credits

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love that. And I want to highlight that last point you just made it's like when you recognize that they're part of who you are and their voices are getting loud, there's another part of you that says, Hey, you don't need to step forward right now. Like it is okay. I've got this, and you can take a back seat. And I think that's really important not to shame or reject or throw under the bus these different aspects that hold the fear, that hold these different parts of who we are that have helped us survive, right? Like it's that subconscious thing that comes to the surface when things happen, and know that there's another part of yourself that, like, I got this, I know what I'm doing, right? And that's what we're cultivating is that that you can feel empowered and not get sidetracked or side quested by these shadow aspects that are used to playing their role. Yeah, you get to learn who you are, yeah. And ultimately, that's what this is is if you are if you feel lost, if you feel like you don't know what your direction is, and you're just sitting with yourself going, what the heck is going on? And you don't know you, this is a great way to get to know who you really are and to see it and be like, shit, that's been showing up for how long, you know. So this is an invitation to get to know yourself deeper and to walk through that and to heal it and to alchemize it and to show up and be your warrior self and say, Yeah, that no longer serves me. And I can step, I can sidestep from that now. Yes, absolutely. So if you're ready to be an embodied creator, a co-creatrix with the universe and living a life with clarity, purpose, deep spiritual alignment, know that this soul contracts and archetypes class is starting soon. You can check your show notes for the link. If you have any questions, please reach out to Chantel directly. You can reach her on Facebook or Instagram, and um, we'll have her contact also in the show notes as well. But yeah, this is starting soon. I'm super happy for yet another round. I think this is the third round. The third or fourth, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's so I have students that are like, you know, that it did, it changes their life. Yeah. So it's like, and I love that of with what we offer because we keep our most popular courses continuing. We've just keep them going because we see the transformation that it creates in people's lives. Absolutely. And it's it's something that it changes ours, and then we bring it forward to help bring that transformation to everyone else. Absolutely. And I think that part of that, that you know, to to highlight is we've done it, we've moved through it, we've embodied it, we've studied it, we focused on it, and then we bring it forward for our students, for our our community, because we know if it's that transformational for us, that it's gonna, it's gonna do that for you as well. And it's and it's about putting in the the commitment, it's about putting in the time. And you know, you it's like the more you give yourself to the focus, the more you're gonna get out of the program. And it's so incredibly worth it because it can be a game changer, it can be a life transformer. This can be the thing that alchemizes a lot of your shadow aspects. And are you ready for that change? Because I'm a yes, like you know what I mean? Like I can feel the yes, like I'm always like so growth oriented. I'm like, yes, I want to live, I want to live so out loud that the little the the things that used to be screaming at me to tell me to be small are now just whispers that I can just shoo away like a mosquito. That's what this type of work does. It is, it's self-mastery. We're we are literally stepping into that master of self, not master of anyone else, but our own self. And the this is how you do it. If you don't know how to do it yet and you're you're just looking for some way to get there, this is a great way to do it and own your own mastery and and know who you are so that no one else can take advantage of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, thank you. Thank you everyone so much for listening to today's Whispers of Wisdom. If you have questions, once again, reach out to Chantel, check the show notes, and we will see you next time. Thanks, everyone. Bye, everyone. Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom Rising Podcast is sponsored by Moonrising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Moonrising Institute, or visit our website, Moonrising Institute.com. Once again, thanks for sharing space with us today. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.