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Liminal Spaces: How to Move Through Life's In Between with Guest Lacee!

• Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa • Season 5 • Episode 9

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The most disorienting seasons of life often aren’t the endings or the beginnings. They’re the in between. That’s where liminal space lives, and it’s where so many of us either break open into a truer life or try to force ourselves back into the old one.

In this episode, we'll explore:

• defining liminal spaces as the in between where time slows and growth accelerates
• using curiosity and metacognition to track reactions and rewrite old stories
• working with archetypes, parts, and soul contracts to integrate the self
• building energetic boundaries and differentiation to stay connected without shrinking
• naming dissociation patterns and returning to presence in the physical realm
• creating shared reality through collaboration instead of scarcity

Christine Renee sits down with Lacee Gengenbacher to name what liminal spaces actually feel like: time standing still, identity shifting, and the Tower moment where what “worked” stops working. We talk honestly about how expansion can get tangled with a chronically activated nervous system, why calm can feel unsafe after chaos, and how to reframe growth so it doesn’t require pain and suffering to be valid. Along the way, we dig into embodiment, nervous system safety, dissociation, and the practical power of curiosity and metacognition to track what’s really happening when you feel triggered.

We also connect the dots between parts work and spiritual practice, including archetypes, soul contracts, and Internal Family Systems style language. When the ground moves under you, the inner voices get louder, and we share ways to meet those parts with intention instead of judgment. A thread we keep coming back to is connection: you’re only as connected to others as you are to yourself, and energetic boundaries help you stay in your truth without shutting down your light.

We close by sharing what we’re building in community: the Gathering of the Mystics summit in Bozeman, Montana, a three day container designed for safe exploration, real integration, and shared medicine through speakers, workshops, and intentional ritual. If anything in your body perks up while you listen, trust that signal. Subscribe, share this with a friend who’s in a threshold season, and leave a review so more people can find the support they’ve been looking for.

Upcoming opportunities mentioned in this episode: 

Soul Contracts & Alchemizing Archetypes Online Masterclass starts June 23rd: https://moonrisinginstitute.circle.so/c/soul-contracts-archetypes/

Gathering of the Mystics, Sept 11-13th, 2026 in Bozeman Montana: https://www.gatheringofmystics.com/

Soul Rising Shamanic Reiki Training, Sept, 2026: https://moonrisinginstitute.com/soul-rising/

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Welcome To Wisdom Rising

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Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moonrising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising. I am really excited for our upcoming episode with Lacey Ganggenbacher, where we are talking about liminal spaces and what that means and what opportunities do we have to enter into them and what comes of that, these tower moments, these places and spaces of alchemization. And as we have this conversation, it's really quite special that we sprinkle in these amazing opportunities and experiences. Lacey has been a soul rising graduate. So she speaks to that experience here at Moonrising Shamanic Institute. And she also speaks about Chantel's upcoming class, soul contracts and alchemizing archetypes. And she raves about that program as well as how the archetypes really has been a training that has transformed her experience as well. And we also talk about our upcoming gathering of the mystics summit that we're doing here in Bozeman, Montana. So there's lots of things that are coming through in this interview. And it was just a really delightful conversation. Know that we are sitting in the same room together. We are able to look at each other. We're really feeding off of one another's energy live and in space together. And so I really hope you enjoy this episode. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising. I am your host, Christine Renee, and today I've got a special guest who's been on before. I have Lacey Ganggenbacher with me. And today we're excited to talk about liminal spaces and an upcoming really special event we have going on here in Bozeman, Montana. And kind of Lacey's journey through Moon Rising Shamanic Institute, through the liminal spaces, through her advocacy work, through what we're co-creating

Defining Liminal Space And Tower Moments

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in our community. And so we want you to be a part of it. We want you to listen in, tune in, see what feels in alignment for you and your growth and your expansion. And let's have the conversation. Yay! I'm so excited to be here. I'm excited that you're here. Yeah. Yeah. So as you can see, we're in a new space. We're watching from YouTube. And I am loving finding it's kind of like these new spaces, but it kind of feels like.

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Liminal spaces. Yeah. I mean, like, what is a liminal space? Yeah.

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What's your definition?

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Yeah. So I don't have a great working definition. Well, no, no, actually, let me reverse that. I have a great working definition, right? Because for me, liminal spaces are so it's so vast and it's so expansive that it's hard for me to really like pinpoint exactly what it is. But I would love to share what I experienced and what I know about it. Um, you know, for me, liminal spaces are the places that are kind of that in between. In between one reality and another. I mean, some people say in between one world and another. Um, for me, liminal space is that space where time almost stands still and you move into this stage of growth and expansion and alchemy. So for me, my whole life I've experienced liminal spaces is very painful and really disruptive. And it's where things fall apart. You know, if in the tarot world, it's the tower card, right? When you move into this time in your journey where everything you've ever known kind of crumbles, and everything you've ever been kind of crumbles so that you can grow into what you are. Yeah. In a more truth-like form.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like the another way to feel into that is you can see it's like, here's everything that I'm releasing, letting go of, whether that is ignited from something within you in your own personal growth, or it's something that's external forces that is kind of bringing you into a life position where things have got to fall away. Yeah. Right. And from that space, it's like we're giving the earth her composting. We're composting all of this energy and we're met in the nourishment of filling up new spaces.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right. And I like the cool thing that I heard you say in that is just the or the thing that stood out to me most is when you said sometimes we seek those limital spaces. Sometimes we're like, we get a calling, we know it's time for shifting, we get, we know it's time for a movement, and we initiate that process. And sometimes the universe initiates that process. But in my world, I think we actually do it. Sometimes it just happens in painful ways because that's kind of the only way we allow it to happen.

SPEAKER_02

What we're learn ultimately, like sometimes we need that pain to learn. And I feel like I definitely am a growth seeker. Yeah. I'm always kind of looking for the next edgy, growthy thing. Yeah. And I can't, I can't not do that. I can't not, I can't not do that. I know I'm a little addicted to it. And I think that for for me and I know many others, it's kind of like looking for the more expansive, the more aliveness, the more how can I live in a bigger way?

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Yeah.

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And when you go there, oftentimes it's like, well, then we gotta look at your childhood trauma, and then we gotta look at this traumatizing event, and then we, you know, and so as you are wanting and desiring more expansion, you've got to make room for it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. And and I have been that way my whole life as well. And I would even say the addictive piece of it, like for me at times, it's been like almost survivalistic. My see my searching for expansion and new worlds and bigger things. And I'm I'm kind of taking a slightly different viewpoint to it now, right? I'm not addicted to expansion, I'm committed to living a full life. Yes, right. I'm I'm committed to being so grateful and present in the world that I live, in this physical realm, that I am committed to really feeling things in deeply sensual ways. Yeah. Right? Yes. And and knowing that I just have this deep knowing that there's so much more than just our physical realm. Yeah. And and I I'm not denying that part of myself in the same way I used to.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Yeah. And I I feel like I recently um met with a few different people. And I feel like that addiction is kind of like the uh sometimes you move into this growth world within like this addiction, like I need it, I need it, I need it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And it comes from like this almost nervous system, like I need the drama, I need the, I need it to be, I need it to be big, I need it to, I'll always have something going on because that's what our nervous system is used to if you came from that. Exactly.

From Nervous System Drama To Grounded Growth

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Right. And there's a transition point, right? Of going from I'm I'm seeking after this hyped up nervous system activation into I am developing a calm, I'm developing a curiosity, I'm developing a yes to my body, the sensuality, living more fully, more authentically without the need of my nervous system is always fucking activated.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, right. What you're talking about, what I'm hearing you say is that you in your own practice are moving into a space of groundedness and mindfulness instead of reactivity. Right. Because some of it can be like, you know, for me, I came in a pretty, I came in in a pretty chaotic system, right? And so if things are calm, my nervous system is like, this is not normal, this is not safe. Like, let's fuck some shit up, right? Yeah. And I and I and I do, and I have my whole life. What's different about the way I'm entering into liminal spaces now is it is not like the old contract that says it has to be dramatic and painful, and and there like I have to bleed to be here. Yeah, I'm readjusting that. Yeah, I'm shifting that. Yeah, that that isn't the way I choose to expand anymore, is in pain and suffering.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So just having the knowingness that there are uh broadened options for for you to get explored in the liminal spaces. And I think for a lot of the the like coaching type work I do, it's kind of like, can't we even get to a point of recognizing what our desired reality is and imagining it?

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Like sometimes that in and of itself is so incredibly difficult to just go, this is what I desire, this is what I want, this is what I'm available to communicate my needs around. Right. And because of how, like, if you can have feel it in the liminal space of like there is an alchemization happening here, yeah. What am I gravitating and pulling into it?

SPEAKER_00

That's right. And I feel like what you just said is the key to what I understand about liminal spaces manifestation and just existing in the physical realm in general. What am I calling in? Yeah, right. What am I saying? What am I asking for? Because I feel like the other big component of liminal spaces for me is that's where so much ego death happens, right? It is in this transitional stage where things are not stable, they're not consistent, they're not known, right? Where all of those different parts of us, and we were talking about this, you know, earlier, all these different parts of us can be activated and present so that we can attend to them with intentionality.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right? Our victims, our prostitute, you know, our child, all those archetypes that I bumped into when I threw Soul Rising.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, and even Chantel, like that's why Moon Rising consistently offers her archetypes and soul contracts class because I feel like it is a thread, is it something that is so needed. Whether you are into IFS and the internal family systems and really looking at parts, parts and archetypes go hand in hand. It's it's very similar.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's it's again, it's like bringing the same magic, the same energy, the same knowledge, using a different language. Exactly. Right? Because there are some people that I work with in my practice where if if I'm coming at it from an internal family systems approach, they don't get it and it doesn't resonate. Right. If we're coming at it from like a shamanic Reiki approach and we're calling in energies of lion and elephant, and it makes sense to their souls, to their bodies, and they start integrating in really deep, connected ways. Like, I don't care how you go, right? I don't care how you get there. I don't care how people get in connection with self and how they exist in the world. Like it takes there's many paths, right?

SPEAKER_02

And I think that's it, the connection to self. Like that is what stood out. Like, how are we cultivating, honoring, recognizing our internal self? And whether you call that your higher self or what it doesn't matter. I mean, that's all like to me, that's just linguistics of voyager. Who is the core essence of who I am? And how can I honor that, that internal flame, that internal light? And where do we get to really say this is who I am? Yes. What spaces do I need to cultivate, include myself in? Exclude myself in. Yes, right? Like, how do I get a show up? And if you are consistently going into spaces that say, no, you're not welcome here, if you have that energy, it's like we need to really be mindful of going, my energy keeps getting turned off or shut

Desire, Manifestation, And Ego Death

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down.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Versus what spaces are turning you on and and propping you up for being in your authentic, yeah, honest truth.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. And and for me, in those moments where I enter into places where I feel like my um my energy is turned off, the thing that I'm doing now is realizing why did I just turn it off? Oh, yeah. That's a good conversation to have. Why did why what did I experience in my environment that gave me the message that traditionally I would then dampen, turn off, or or almost even extinguish at times?

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

I think we've all been there. Well, we of course. We're all we're pack animals. Like I need you, I need community, right? That's how my my body, my soul is designed, right? So it does make sense that at some point we would to to be part of the crew, to be part of the the bigger piece, that we would lose parts of ourselves to fit into that, to be connected, to have attachment. What I'm talking about at this stage in my journey is differentiation. Yeah. Differentiating from the pack so I know the truth of what I am. Here's the catch though. It's so I can truly be connected to the pack that I do this work. Yeah. Because I cannot really offer myself, my love, my care, my relationship to you unless I know what I and who I am. Yeah. Because then I'm just complying. I'm just constantly managing and mitigating my physical realm so I fit in. Right. And that's not what I'm talking about. Right. I'm talking about being so connected with self and your truths that you walk into a space and you notice when your intuition says shut down.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And you notice when your intuition says block or or walk away. And instead of taking it personal, you hold your truth so you can witness everybody else. Right. So their nervous system can catch up.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's really a key point. Like if you can hold your own energy, your own light, your own source, coming into different spaces are going to be reactive differently to you when you don't lower your light.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. When I don't adjust, when I don't go into the mainstream of what the space asks, what's what society asks, what community asks, what oppressive structures ask of me, I then become quite divergent. I become quite different. If I'm committed to shining despite the environment, just by being in your off in my authentic self, in your authentic self, you're creating a new frequency that isn't normal in every space. Think about I think about how many conversations I had in the past that were revolved around really shallow, really like it seems like we're connected, but I don't really give a fuck about what you had this morning for breakfast, unless it's so awesome and it nourished you that it can help my body.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But like not in a way of like, that's the only way we can connect with each other. Is because here's the deal, we're not really connected if we're not connected with self.

SPEAKER_02

Right. I almost want you to repeat that again. Like, you're not connected if you're not connected to self. This is a first relationship.

SPEAKER_00

You have to have you can't first if you don't know how to be connected with yourself, with your inner emotions, your inner workings, your thought patterns, right? How these archetypes play into your realm, there's absolutely no way to be connected with others. Right. Right. You can't. You can't be. Now, I'm not saying that like other people create environments and containers for us to connect with ourselves. Yeah. And so you can come in and out of that. It's not an all or nothing thing. It's not like a light switch that's on or off. It is more of a gauge, right? And on that gauge, you're really only as connected to others as you are to yourself. Right. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Because otherwise it's it feels like if you're going into state and you're matching energy, you I mean, this is about like then you're really just when you're matching the frequency of that group and not holding your own. So you might be turning yourself down or possibly up, depending on the group. That's right. Right. But there's something that happens in that that I think the awareness is key. You need to be aware of what you are doing in your energy. And I think this is where, even where we find ourselves in those growth spaces, yes, right? Like we are entering new situations, new scenarios, and feeling into it. Like this is new. That therefore it's a stretch, it's a it's an edge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Yeah. It's that it's discomfort, right? If if you walk in your realm and you're comfortable all the time, you're not growing, right? Like, like there is this sense of discomfort that comes with expansion. You know, I mean, if you think about the seed, right? We plant a seed into the earth, it's there, it's getting that that nourishment, that light, that moisture. But then when it starts to crack open and grow into something new, that it that its whole world shatters. Right. You know, and there is discomfort. What I'm really attending to and what I'm working on in my world is I don't want it to be painful. Yeah. Like I'm ready for expansion, for discomfort, for the unknown. I just want to take the trauma out of it, which is how I've done it my whole life. Yeah. Like liminal spaces don't have to be traumatic. Like they can be different.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And I think for for me, like what I've been playing with is like, how can we nourish ourselves sensually, pleasurably, right? While we're finding those growth edges.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like, how can you find fun in it? Yeah. And you're really good at that. I'm really good at it. I love that. She's really good at that. I love that. I love it. Because I think too, like in at Moonrising Shamanic Institute for years, this hasn't just been since I've been getting into shamanic tantra. It's been how can we recognize that we have turned off our fun and play? Yeah. Right. Like, so like this world that this patriarchal world that we live in tells women, especially, you need to be productive, don't have fun and play. Don't be X, Y, and Z. Be this, be productive, serve me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

Differentiation And Energetic Boundaries

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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And so just the challenge of having my students come in and saying, what's your commitment to fun and play? Can we have fun and play through this process? Because it's not about um diving in and searching of our shadow. Right. Right. Like when we do it through fun and play, something might bubble to the surface. It says, hey, I'm over here. This is making me uncomfortable. While we're laughing and giggling and realizing, you know, this is my inner child coming alive and having that shadow aspect going, remember the trauma that we had during that time?

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And it's like when it's done in a way of playfulness, exploration, curiosity, you're opening things without like digging at it. Digging at it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And here's the deal, I'm a digger. Like I know you are. My current piece is I'm we I'm a digger. And what I love about what you're saying is that there's different ways to do it. And just by creating a safe container for people to play and for those parts of themselves that never got to play to be activated and triggered and have it be different. I mean, that's a corrective emotional experience. Yes. That's what you're saying. You you are reprogramming people's nervous systems to allow fun and it not be threatening. Yes. Or it be threatening enough so they can be triggered and activated and have a different experience this time. Maybe even love on and attend to that part of them that was hurt in play. Right. And integrate, alchemize, and come into whole. Yes, exactly. That's how I should be and I and I love that, right? And I love that that's part of your magic. That's part of the energy you bring to healing spaces. And there are so many different ways to do it. All we're talking about is, I mean, really, it is integration of self. It is embodiment of all of the parts of us. Right. Because my whole life, there are parts of me that have had to be locked away for survival. And anytime those parts, like they don't go away, like they're not severed from me. Right. Anytime those parts of me are triggered and activated in the physical realm, like it can take me out of the moment. Right. I mean, because I have big things that have been locked away for a long, long time. Yeah. Out of necessity.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Yeah. Right. And I think that's where it's so um, I think most of us have. You know, most of us have these parts of ourselves that's like, yeah, there's some blacked-out memories there. I that are not accessible.

SPEAKER_01

That's right.

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There are pieces of me that are so freaking scared to show up because they don't know what if the world is going to receive them. Right. Right. And so safe safe. Is it safe? Yeah. And how do we create safety within ourselves? Right. First and foremost. How do we create safety within ourselves, within our own bodies, within our own skin? That's right. Right. To then be able to explore. I think it's that explore curiosity that I'm always go back to.

SPEAKER_00

Curiosity is the probably the greatest ally we can have in any type of liminal space or expansion. Right.

SPEAKER_02

And it takes this level of bravery, of courage. Like you need to have a level of courage to go, I am willing to see, to feel, to recognize, to honor, to become aware of. And that that takes it takes a lot.

SPEAKER_00

And and I mean, we're kind of talking about metacognition. Yeah. Right. When when you pay attention to your thoughts, when you have a thought, you notice it, you're curious about it, and then you try to kind of understand where it comes from. Okay. Is this an external stimuli in my current environment? Is this a part of me from my past self? And that's trying to help me understand what's happening. And in my world, sometimes is it a future version of me that's trying to get me to hear something, that's trying to get me to notice something. And and in those moments where we have a reaction or a thought and we can look at it with curiosity, it just shifts things. I mean, if you look at brain scans around metacognition, it's a higher frequency and you're using more of your brain. I mean, literally, it's brain activation and evolution.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And for me, I started on that path because I I have experienced so many deeply traumatic things in my life that it is pay attention to where this stuff comes from or be in prison or dead, right? Like, like I there's so many versions of me across this timeline that have experienced painful, potent things that if I don't pay attention, I'm lost. Yeah. And then I lose out on those beautiful moments with my children or those beautiful moments with friends. Like, you know, I dissociate.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. And just recognizing so many of us in the spiritual empathetic world, like this is how we are so freaking good at disassociation that if like something dude is happening, I'm out. I'm just out. I'm gone. Like my body might be in the room, but I'm I'm not there.

SPEAKER_00

And it looks so many different ways. How many hours do we spend on the phone? Or swelling? What a waste of energy and time. I mean, so for me, and I think it's because I've had so many times in my life where

Fun, Play, And Safer Expansion

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like I've almost died or my child almost died. Like, like the truth of how fragile and how um momentary this physical journey is is pretty potent in my world. And so I really don't want to miss out on any time with the people I love, with the with the world around me. Like next time I might be on a different planet. I know. And the fucking beauty of the physical realm, Christine, and even the lower parts of it, I know. Listen, listen, I s I sat next to my three-year-old child for a year as we gave her chemotherapy. We killed her body so she could stay in this physical realm. And those memories and moments are some of the most precious time in my life. And if I hadn't continued to do my trauma work around them, when those moments would be activated, I would dissociate from them instead of embrace them and love them. There is nothing quite as beautiful as fighting for a life that your body brought to this earth. Yeah. It is beautiful. It it it it brings motherhood to these deep, rich, potent levels. And that version of me cannot be the only version of me that exists in space and time. Like that traumatized mom in me, she can't be the only one that has a voice or a story.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and one of the things I'm just loving about that recognition, yeah, is I remember you coming in as a soul rising student. Yeah. And that was the big, I feel like that was the biggest shift. Like really recognizing there's more than this. There has to be, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. Or that there could be, right? There even could be, that there's a possibility of more. I mean, here's the deal. This is what I do with my traumatic things I've experienced. And there are many of them. They're kind of like books in my library, right? These really beautiful, deep books that help me understand emotionally and physically and sensually what it's like to exist in that story. And I no longer only have one story. Now I get to put that book away and put it back on the shelf and read new stories. Stories that aren't just about suffering, that aren't just about scarcity, that aren't about life and death, stories that are about running in fields with joy and laughter, you know. And I think that's the beauty of liminal spaces. When you walk into that liminal space, you are so potently that story that you walked in to attend to. And if you do it right, if you're curious, if you have support, if you have the right container, those parts of you kind of go through an ego death. Absolutely. Like they're not gone, they still exist, right? The the version of me that sat next to my three-year-old's bedside and watched her dying, like she's still there in space and time. She's just not always present now. Right? Yeah, because I'm ready for new books, I'm ready for new stories, I'm ready to do some new research and understand different parts of this physical realm. Yeah. I've got a pretty good uh handle on those darker frequencies. Yeah, I'm ready for some new ones.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I love that. I love that. And I think that's where, you know, I feel like I'm constantly exploring and playing. And it's like, where do we have those places and spaces where it's not just fun, it's it is sensual, it is like body affirming, where it is um community oriented, of really having it feels like a revealing of like this is who I am, this is who you are. Yeah. And how do we where's the the where's that energy in between? You know, and I think that's where it's like, yeah, that's a criminal space too, right?

SPEAKER_00

Right. That that this is me, this is the truth of me, that's the truth of you. How do we have shared realities, right? Yeah, because I think sometimes in relationships we're called to not be different from the other person. My reality becomes your reality out of necessity and safety. And what I'm talking about as far as like knowing yourself so well you can connect. It's like, how do you know your reality so intentionally? I know my reality so intentionally that we get to have a shared reality where we both get to be safe in all of us.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And I think this is where you know things are breaking down, like whether that's in communities or society, where it's like we're finally recognizing this is who I am, this is what my gifts are, this is how I want to share and show up. Yeah. Hey, you're doing something similar or doing some a different flavor of it. Where can we collaborate? And it's there, and I feel like in the past there's been a lot of like competition and there's been a lot of judgment, and there's been a lot of like all of these things, and I'm just like, can't it doesn't really it doesn't really matter how are we honoring? Yeah, because of course your flavor is going to be different with you, but that's the beauty of it.

SPEAKER_00

That's when we get together and both of our flavors come together to make something completely different, yes, than when we're individual, right? And I believe that part of what is crumbling and creating containers for all of us to be as big and bright as we can is that scarcity energy that powers that we really want us to feel, right? There's not enough space. So if I'm big and bright, that means you don't get to be big and bright. If I take up all the space in the room, that means there's no room for you, right? And that's kind of what I love about the spaces you hold and you host is that it's like, no, no, no, come in and be as expansive as you want to. I'm gonna do the same. And there's enough for all of us.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, I think like I love that. I love it because that I mean, I love being witnessed in that. Let me say it that way. I love being witnessed in that because that is my intention.

SPEAKER_00

I know.

Trauma, Dissociation, And Choosing New Stories

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And thankfully, think of that.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that was probably part of why I was so triggered by you initially, right? Because I think when I got into Soul Rising, like there was this huge rupture. Like I was super triggered because I think in retrospect now, I needed to know that to really go into the psychic part of myself, I needed to know that the people that were creating the container knew how to hold it, were safe to hold it. Right, right. Because I've I kept that part of me pretty locked away and pretty solitary. It's not always been safe to be in my magic and be with other people, right? Yep. And so it's like, how do you create that container that says go where you need to go, be what you need to be? And we're gonna be here to support it and and ground it and hold it, and there is enough fucking room for everyone, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02

That in and of itself, it can be a lot for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, literally, it challenges every single structure we have been spoon-fed since birth.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think that's so me. Like, I'm such a rebel. You're such a punk rocker. I love punk rock. I'm getting I'm getting more familiar because my boyfriend's really a punk rocker too.

SPEAKER_02

I love punk rocker. Yeah, and I think it's it's this um this flavor of I'm gonna break the box. I'm gonna be the rebel. I'm going to say, you know what? Society says I'm only supposed to do it this way. And I'm like, fuck that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

If it doesn't fit, why wear it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And here's the deal. For me, that started really young, right? When I like we didn't have money. We were the out, you know, we weren't the halves. And and for me, challenging those messages that said that that's who I was and that's how I had to be, I was like, no, you don't get to tell me what I am. No, thanks. Right? Actually, I say what I am and I say where I live and I say if I have enough to eat or not. Not you. I say my value. Because here's the deal: if you've been told that you're nothing and you believe it, you are nothing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's the fucking potency of our brain.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and it and it and from like a soul level, it's this is your free will. If you have something come in and you say, Yep, I agree with that, then you are literally letting your power out.

SPEAKER_00

That's right.

SPEAKER_02

You're your energy leaking. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Consensually.

SPEAKER_02

Consensually. Because you consensually because you just say, No, no, that's not right. Like, then it would be a rejection, right? This is the energetic boundary. But if you're not setting energetic boundaries and someone says you're a loser and you're like, Yeah, I really am, then guess what? You've consented to them taking your energy and your power. That's right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's right. Or, or maybe not even them. It might actually not even be them. Yeah, it could be like a cultural something else. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think about um like I'm I am deep in a liminal space right now. Things are shifting, things are moving. And in that experience, like there are some physical realm things happening that could absolutely trigger me into those old thought patterns, that old victimhood, that old energy that says, see, the world's not safe, you know, be in a cave, don't move. Um, and what I'm doing is I'm when that energy comes, I'm I'm looking at it to see where, wait, where is this really coming from? Right. And for me, sometimes it is this life, sometimes it's past lives. Yeah. Sometimes it's past things I've experienced, right? Right. That are saying, oh, yep, see, it's happening again. You're being silenced. You're, you know, look at you've got a mouth and you're they're getting rid of you. Yeah. Here's the deal, though. This is the potency about, I think, the work that you and I do and that we're talking about is it's literally identifying that messaging, which in my world are spells, and it's shifting it to something else. It's claiming it to be something else. No matter what comes at you in the physical realm, right? It's claiming the new story, the new frequency, and claiming it until your body kind of feels it.

SPEAKER_02

And I think that that's that's the piece of it. It's like you have to keep claiming it until your body is going. All right, those are my signals. That's my truth. That's signals of safety are around me. I am actually not dying to be in the space. Like I'm I am not fracturing, I'm not dissociating, and I'm okay. I'm present.

SPEAKER_00

I'm present. I didn't leave myself in this dangerous space.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right? Right. I didn't go.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And I I feel like, you know, there's there's a process in this, right? Like, and I just want to let all of our audience know and hear that no matter what pace you're at in this is okay. This isn't something that you need to go and jump into the deep end and like if that's not for you, that's okay. And I know for me, it's like some things might feel really big to me that is like no big deal for someone else, or vice versa. Yeah. Right. And so, what are those edges within you that says, okay, this was a lot. Now, now what? Right. And so I feel like recently I was put in a situation where I didn't know why, but my nervous system was having like energetic flashbacks of date break, right? Yeah, right. And so here I am going, everyone else is fucking fine, and I am not. That's right. Comparing, comparing, right? And so when you get into that comparisonitis space, it's not doing you a service. Yeah. Yeah. And really going, okay, what I am resourced.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like I think it's so important, right?

SPEAKER_00

I'm here's the deal. If you, if you're comparing yourself to others, even if like Christine's saying, even if you're listening to what we're saying and you're comparing your journey to ours, like for me, that is that is outsourcing your ground and your stability, right? Right. You're saying, okay, I feel unstable. So I have to track my environment and the people around me to tell me if I'm okay or not. The problem with that though, is that you're not you're not in your own truth. Right. You're then outsourcing your reality to other people. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and I think I I think I did a podcast on this like vertical attachment, right? Like right where it's like, am I attaching horizontally to other people to get my truth, to get my reality? Or am I is it vertical where I am tapping in to the earth? I love to the divine. Like, is it moving and running its energy through me? That's right. First and foremost. If I am having to check in elsewhere, these are energetic attachments that may be false or codependent or or the old fucking frequency.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right. It's like here's the deal. If you if we are, if we have this part of us that knows that things are need to shift and change, and we're only reaching out vertically, like you said or horizontally, like you said, right? Like we're only going out this way. How are we ever gonna know where to go if we're just in the same environment we've always been in? Yeah. Like you don't ask somebody how to run a marathon if they've never ran a marathon. And you certainly are not gonna take their fears or their concerns, right? Which I feel like that's kind of what we're talking about, right? We are we are asking somebody that doesn't know about our journey, how our journey should look. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02

So this is like an an invitation and permission for you

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to do you, right?

SPEAKER_00

And so it's like whatever it looks, whatever it looks like. Maybe it's like, you know, it's been really hard for me to even, you know, carve out an hour a week to work on my physical body. Yeah. Like even just taking that step can be really triggering, right? Especially for parents, you know, and I and I I'm always drawn to say especially women, but I don't think that's true anymore. Uh listen, I think that patriarchy fucks men up in way deeper. Here's the difference. It's like I kind of liken it to um different forms of abuse, right? With physical abuse, it's tangible. You see it, you know it, you've got proof of it, right? There's you can't you can't challenge your own reality when you have something physical to prove it. Yeah, but emotional abuse is so much harder to take. It's so much harder to notice because you don't see it, you don't talk about it, right? It's quiet. Women, we are pretty clear on how our system oppresses us. Men, it's a little bit more uh yeah, quiet.

SPEAKER_02

We recently had a podcast interview on with Peter, who is trans. Yeah, and his story of going, I'm was and um showed myself as a cis white male, yeah, and now I'm queer. And now what I notice, the microaggressions, like those eye-opening things, like I love his story because I think there's a lot of white white cis males that haven't they don't, they don't they don't even know how to recognize the biases because they've been totally disconnected and severed from their emotional intuitive selves.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, emotion is our intuition, it is a portal. And if and we have really, and I don't want to diverge, you know, whatever, but we have really severed men from their emotional parts pretty systematically and pretty intentionally, and we have isolated them so that it's like, and don't even talk to anybody about it, right? You just stay and you're prisoned forever.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And I think like what I noticed too is that we have such a diversity at Moonrise and Shamanic Institute.

SPEAKER_00

I love that about your guys' crew, is that they're male bodies because here's the deal this is just the truth of it. Like a male body is gonna help me heal in different ways than a female body ever could, right? Because my body is not gonna be triggered in the same way with your body as it is with a male body.

SPEAKER_02

Right, but it's so true. And I feel like if we have places and spaces where we have people of color, where we where we have different genders, where we have different, you know, all of the things, you know, I live in a we live in a very white monoculture. Yep. Yes. Monoculture. Yep. Right. And I feel like there's a lot of people who are living in the same. And you know what's really interesting is I I'll teach a tantra class and I get rural people from Wyoming. You know what I mean? Like they don't have access to these types of opportunities to explore their sexuality. And it's a it's I'm we're opening and welcoming space from whatever type of backgrounds. Right. You're ready to do the inner work, the inner reflections, like we're open for you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Right.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that's what you guys are doing. Yeah. Like you guys are saying, I'm going to create this container for whatever is present to show up and be seen and understood and integrated and embodied. And like you've done it so much in yourself that you're not very judgmental. Thank you. So here's the deal. I I don't know about your nervous system, but my nervous system catches judgment like this. Like I don't even, you don't even have to talk to me. Yeah. Right. Oh, totally. Say nothing to me. I know that. And I'll feel it. I'll see it. I'll sense it. I might hear something, you know, because I've had to track uh-huh my divergence in every space I've ever been. Yeah. So for me growing up in Montana, being feeling very, very and being very, very different. Anytime I saw somebody that was physically different, I was like, oh my God, you know, oh my god, you're cut, you have color to your body. What like because it's that difference that I have always felt reflected in my visit, my physical realm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see the difference. You can feel the difference. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's just the cool thing about what's happening in my the communities where I dwell is that again, some of that spoon-fed illusion around oppressing ourselves is starting to fade, right? We have clarity in our world that what people say they are, they aren't always. Yeah. And it and that it is time to challenge some of those unforeseen structures that have kept us small.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And in my world and what I do, I see people every day who, Christine, they're just getting a call. They're just getting this tug that says that how they see the world is not all there is.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And that there are different parts of them that are being called to action in different ways. And for some of us, it's like drastic, huge blow the doors off. And for some of us, it's just that small gentle tug. Right. So it's like it doesn't matter where you are in your communication, what kind of what your calling looks like. Some of us are just receiving a call.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. And following that thread. Right. And keep following those tugs.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And I feel like there are more and more people who are ready for it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And there is fear in it. Here is the here's the thing, right? It's like if you're being called to shift and change, you're moving into the unknown. And the unknown can be really scary, right? Liminal spaces are really scary. You don't know what's there. You don't know how to act. And the floor might even be adjusting. So you don't even know how to stand on that floor. So it is scary. And it does take bravery to answer the call. Yes. You know, when people look at me and hear me talk and they totally dissociate or think I'm crazy, go. Look, I hear you. It is scary and it is big.

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It's reality shifting.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like and welcome. And welcome. I'm welcome. Yes. Like if you're listening to that, if that, if you're identifying with that, like whether this is like the very, very beginning of a spiritual awakening for you, or you've been on it for 20 years and there are new levels that you didn't know about. Like amazing.

SPEAKER_00

No. And for me, and what I know about that is that those liminal spaces, wherever you are on that journey, they land differently when you're in community.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yes. Yes. I don't know how many times I've heard that like people recognize the group spaces that I offer, whether online or in person. And it's like I wouldn't have done this had it not been for the container that you provided. Right. Right. Like you, I mean, it's it's so interesting. Like if I, if you have a container, like here is Soul Rising, here are these activating actions, here's these meditations, do them this week. It's so amazing that there's a more um, there's going to be a better response to doing the thing, knowing that we have this group space of everyone doing the exact same thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And for me, when I go into like when I first started going into those meditations and those like activating different parts of myself, there were things that I was like, ooh, this is really like I had a lot of judgments around myself. Right. And so when you walk into those group settings where you share your truth, you're brave enough to share what was really happening. And then what often happens is then you hear like five other people saying similar things, but because it's a there's a truth to what you're shedding. Yes. And if you're all being called to that space, you're all shedding a similar thing. Now it doesn't look the same, it might come differently, but oftentimes there's a theme, there's a thread that's being shed. And so then I can stop being judgmental of myself. I can stop saying all these things that I say about myself and just have it reflected in the physical realm so that my nervous system can catch up.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right? Attachment. Yes. We can't do it on our own. Yeah. I mean, you can like listen, I talk to my guides and I sit with my guides every day, all day long. I'm in and out of that. And it's different when I have a physical realm ground that helps it to be real. Yeah. That brings it into the physical realm and isn't just in that spiritual realm. Yeah. It is both. And that's why we need each other. You know, I mean, I remember sharing one time. We did a meditation, I shared this like big, deep, scary, like the thing that I was like, there's no way I'm telling anybody that I just uncovered this part of myself. And I remember sharing it, and every person in that room held the space for that to be real. And then I stopped judging myself, and then it wasn't as dark and scary. It was just part of me. Yay! And that part of me got to come home and be integrated. And and and now when that part of me is activated in my world, I don't have that feeling that I have to dissociate or leave that part of me. I get to be present with it and know that that's not all there is. Yeah. Right. Because I think honestly, what happens, and I think where the trauma really is, is yes, it happened trauma happens when you don't have another attachment figure to help you because you then leave yourself. Right. I think honestly, a big part of the trauma is that we abandon ourselves. We abandon that part of ourselves, we isolate that part of ourselves. We, you know, try to sh cut it off from the whole and send it away. But it it's part of our truth. You can't do that and be fully embodied and integrated. Absolutely. And until you integrate all parts of yourself, you're gonna keep trigger it, you're gonna keep being triggered. Absolutely. That's just the truth of it. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's just the truth of it. And it's so it's such a beautiful process. It can be it's hard as fuck most times.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and I but I don't even know if it needs to be hard as fuck anymore.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean that's the that goes back to the fun and play and like this. And that's renegotiating, right? All of those things, right? And so it's it's it's a very, it's a, I don't know, a dynamic, complex experience. Dynamic, so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, dynamic, dynamic, a dynamic experience, right? And and the moments when I what I'm noticing in my world, because again, I'm in this liminal space, is the minute it feels really painful, I'm attending to the stories that are playing through in my brain. What does this mean about me? What does this mean about safety and security, right? Like what are the stories that are telling me about my world right now? And how can I grab on those, shift them a little bit so that it isn't painful?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. So I'll give you a good example. So I've been working for the last year and a half on this beautiful space called Mountain Witch. It is this portal that allows people to come in, communicate with themselves, their higher purpose, their spirit guides, be their fullness. Worked my ass off for it. I have sacrificed, I have suffered, I have bled to have this space. And still, still, it wasn't nourishing and feeding me in the way it needed to. So I kept asking and manifesting it to shift in a way that it didn't hurt me because I knew I had to, it had to be there, but it was costing me so much. I was hemorrhaging. It was awful. And so now it's it's looking for a new space. It's closed. I wrapped it up and I put it into a storage unit. And let me tell you, all of the victim parts of me that came as I did that work, right? The part of me that said, see, they're silencing you again. See, it's not safe to be what you are. See, like no matter how hard you work, it's not gonna work out. That's not the truth. I asked for a shifting in that portal so that it didn't cost me as much. And so as I claim that new story versus all those other stories that came when I got my when I got knocked down in life, now it doesn't hurt. I can I can now that I ground through all that scarcity and fear-based messaging, I feel my new space. I can feel it. I can, it's beautiful, it's ready. I'm starting to see it a little bit. And instead of being lost in the fear of it closing, now I'm appreciating the fact that I get to cook really healthy meals for my family, and that's what I asked for. And I get to play with my children, and that's what I asked for. And I get to be not in that shop and with Christine right now, and that's what I asked for. I asked for all the things I have right now. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing. I yeah, the universe is saying, okay, now that you reclaimed what you needed, how do you integrate that back into the portal? Yeah. And it stops hurting and it becomes opportunity

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instead of scarcity.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I love that. Would you like to tell them about your big thing that you're creating, collaborating?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. So Christine, what Christine is talking about, I started working on months ago. And what's happening in my world now is part of the evolution of even that space. So there are four of us in our community that are have been called to create um this sacred container for people to gather and to do exactly what we're talking about, right? Enter into liminal spaces, do it with connection, alchemize what needs to be alchemized, and embody what needs embodied. And so we are um creating gathering of mystics. And it is a summit-style gathering where we are inviting all of the medicine holders, all of the magic embodiers, all of the individuals who are getting the call for more to gather and bring what they know, right? It's not a healing retreat. It's not a fair. Um, although we're gonna have attributes of both of those spaces. Yeah, here it is a summit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think that's what I really love about what you're creating is like there are gonna be speakers and workshops and vendor tables. Yeah, right. Like you're gonna have these pieces and then you gotta go, what am I available for now? What would be supportive and nourishing for my body now? Is it to hang out by the creek? Or is it to go and we have two of, right? Or is it to go attend one of the workshops and really feel the activation and flow into it and then go sit with a healer who's doing a session? Yeah. Going to a speaker and really allowing yourself to be feel expanded and then go to another workshop to feel the embodiment of that. So I feel like this is a really amazing opportunity to really like, I'm gonna step into the space. How many days is it?

SPEAKER_00

So it's a three-day event. It's um September 11th through the 13th. We're hosting it at the Gallatin River Hideaway. Um, so it's this gorgeous, enormous venue that has creek and river and ponds and like all of this like forest of these big old trees. Um it's a three-day event that says come in, pay attention to how you exist in space and time, be intentional with how you want to do that. And then we're gonna give you all the tools in the environment to say how you leave this space. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. And I I'm really excited. I'm excited to be a part of it. So I'll be offering a workshop, I'll have a vendor table, and it's it is very much about pulling in the community and pulling in all of those who are ready to like have a weekend experience that's really going to be shifting. So if you are outside of the Bozeman area, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my God. This isn't here's the deal what's happening in the Bozeman community is happening all over the world, right? This message is not just for the people in Montana, it is for anybody, anywhere that if you if while listening to this and and hearing this, you had any part of you activated or triggered, or you had an emotional response or a physical response, like we're talking to you. Yes, even if it's like these this lady's crazy. Right. Like this three-day event is we we're gonna start off Friday night just gathering. I mean, I think the core foundation of this event is not everybody that walks into it is the same, right? Like everybody has different understandings of the world because it's endless. So we're really saying bring what you know. We're gonna gather as many people who know things as we can, and we're gonna create the environment that even if you don't resonate with me or you don't resonate with Christine, there's gonna be 40 other people that might speak your language. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And I think that's really the cool, like I really love that. Like, there's a lot of really amazing practitioners, medicine holders, um, shamans, witches, mystics, mediums,

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like there's counselors. Counselor, I mean, the list can go on and on.

SPEAKER_00

Dancers, artists, you know, and here's the cool thing in my life, I've always been solitary because I have my own type of magic, and there's judgment and fear and you know, isolation that's come with it. This gathering is like I'm gonna ask you to drop your judgments too, or at least don't don't drop them, drop them, but pay attention to them because this gathering is for all of us to come. Right. It's no longer time for us to be solitary and isolated. Let's gather, let's share what we know and let's build off of each other, right? Like this summit style really is I bring what I know, you bring what you know, and we just deepened and expanded what we know, right? We amplify it. We're two or more gather. Yeah, big things happen. And so if we're all solitary, big things, we're really, we're really limiting potential.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And and so I think the important thing is is like for all of us to be different in our craft and to gather and it be safe, like we have to like set the container, right? So Friday night of the event, it really is opening, it's a ritual to open the container and to set the kind of foundation and guidelines of like this is what we expect from you as you come into this space. Right. And this is what we're holding you accountable and ourselves accountable to. And then we're gonna celebrate, right? It's a big party because the the one thing I think the one playing ground where we can all kind of exist and agree upon is in a place of joy and celebration, right? The foundation that we all are hoping for the similar thing, right?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, so we're gonna start off and we're gonna have an opening ceremony and ritual um that sets the intention for the weekend. Um, and then we're gonna celebrate. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna hear a little bit um about the story of Persephone. I love her. Going into the underworld and then coming back up into the light.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I I think one of the reasons why I'm I really love the way you are creating and cultivating this is I'm I'm a I my guard will go up so high when I come into expos or when I come into different uh weekend type retreats, and there isn't the opening ceremony and closing ceremony. Right. Like I don't care if it's a it's a it's a marketplace expo, yeah. What's the intention here? That's right. What are we doing for what purpose? That's right. Let's hold, let's all co-create the container together. And when that happens, I feel so much more free in existing in that plane. Yeah, because I know there's everyone's on board.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We're in the intention together. Yeah, there's structure. There's structure, energetic structure.

SPEAKER_00

It's not just uh do whatever the fuck you want. This is so fun, be yourself. Ah no, no, no, no. It's be intentional with who you are, right? Understand that you do bump in and interact with others, be accountable to the greater container so that we can do the work and the magic we've all been called here to do. It's accountability, it's structure, it's you know, all of those foundational pieces to attachment that we need for people to kind of that circle of security.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I need those signals of safety so that you can go out and explore and you have a safe place to circle back.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, go out and explore, come back, right? Go out and and instead of go out and explore, it's really go in and explore. Yes, yes, yes. Go in and we are safe and we are here with you, and then bring out what you find. Yeah, because we all need your medicine. Yes, we all need your truth, even if it isn't our flavor. Our container needs the truth of that frequency, you know, and then and then Saturday and Sunday, it's it's gonna be speakers

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that are gonna come and share how they got their medicine, how they got their magic, and then they're gonna offer it. It's gonna be experiential. We're not gonna talk about magic, we're gonna do it, we're gonna embody it, we're gonna create that container for you to do and take that medicine and then ground and come back out. And all of the workshops that we've called are gonna help release things, they're gonna help ground things, they're gonna help integrate things, right? It's it's an opening and integration. It's literally go in, come back out. Yeah. We are creating a container that allows you to go into that liminal space with safety, groundedness, and community so that then you can come back out the other side instead of live there forever.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So this is the time to get your tickets, um, get your plane tickets, reserve your campground information, like whatever it is for you to make it out to Bozeman, Montana that September 11th through the 13th, because there's gonna be that we're having we're co-creating magic together. And this is this is the time. Like I know for Montana, this is this is right after Labor Day. Kids will be back in school. There will be places and spaces to find your Airbnbs, to find your campgrounds. But this is the time to really start organizing, planning, and making it happen for yourself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Because here's the other thing the minute you commit to this space, you've then offered your magic and energy. Into that container. You become a part of it. You become a co-creator in that. And you then are going to feel the energy of the space as well in your life. Right. It there is a truth to what's being gathered here, to who's coming. And it is the time to do the logistical things of it, right? I mean, we've we've got blocks of hotel rooms that are like $100 off a night. You know, some of them are $75 off a night. Um there's a logistical real world as you know attribute aspect to it. And what feels even more important is building that energetic container by you saying, yeah, I enter in. Because then you enter in all your stories, right? All your guides, all your magic. Even if you don't know you have it, you do and you bring that and you feed that our space with it. Right. That's why it's a summit. This isn't a Lacey show or a Christine show or you know the other guardians of this. It is all of us co-creating this place for us to do this work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we welcome you. We welcome you to come join, play, dance, move, dive in deep, all of the things. And be sure to check out the show notes for the links. If you have questions, I'll have both my information and Lacey's information in those show notes so that you can know how to contact us if you have questions. If you want to find those discounted hotel rooms or whatever it may be, like be sure to reach out and lock in now.

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Yeah. I mean, you can go to gatheringofmystics.com and get more information. I mean, when you start exploring it, you're gonna see that like for a three-day event, like just the price point of it, like they're half of the people who are offering their medicine at this retreat, if you met with them for one hour one-on-one, that's what you'd pay. Right. Like that's what you would get. And we have you have access to all of the people who are bringing their medicine. Like it's it's wild. Again, and the reason you can have access to all of those people is because we do it, we're doing it together. Right. Yes. Instead of you having to pay for it on your own. Yeah, we all pay together, we all do it together. Thus, we all get to eat at the table. Yes. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited for everything we're co-creating.

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Yes, I love it. Well, thanks for coming on once again, Lacey. And all of you, I hope we see you out here in September. And bring your magic, get some magic. Exactly. So until then, we'll see you next time. Thanks, everyone.

Links, Logistics, And Closing Blessing

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